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  1. LG

    LG Well-Known Member

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    And the EU was ready to invoke it after just 29 days because of diplomatic emarassment
     
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  2. Steveo

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    A good thing we are considering we have the highest death rate in the world due to our incompetent government.
    the EU may well have messed up the vaccine roll out but they have looked after their citizens better.
     
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  3. rudebwoy

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    leading the world in deaths as well , some record
     
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  4. CaptainPops

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    We aren't leading the world in the number of deaths at all. USA, Brazil and the like are way ahead of us on number of deaths. Some countries you ll be lucky to get any sort of figures resembling any level of accuracy..
     
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  5. rudebwoy

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    you do know about death rate per population don’t you ? , you’re so keen to defend the indefensible, as for accurate figures , those govt ones don’t include deaths at home ...those are hospital recorded deaths , the real figures are appaling , ....
     
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  6. CaptainPops

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    Just replying to what your post said..which was leading on number of deaths which is obviously incorrect..if you meant death rate how about actually writing death rate as opposed to number of deaths?

    :emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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  7. rudebwoy

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    leading on number of deaths is totally correct , top of the charts the last week , in the world , pro rata with population also the highest in the world , but we’ve ordered more vaccine than most others , can’t deliver it in time to avoid thousands more deaths , but let’s celebrate some jingoistic bull <doh>
     
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  8. OddDog

    OddDog Mild mannered janitor
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    This chart is probably as accurate as one can get. <ok>
     
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  10. rudebwoy

    rudebwoy Well-Known Member

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    no , the only deaths that are shown for uk are hospital ones , there are upwards of another thirty thousand from care homes and peploe’s homes ......
     
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  11. Ron

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    According to that chart USA are doing very well
     
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  12. QuarterMoonII

    QuarterMoonII Economist

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    Genuinely embarrassed but unsurprised by your response. When presented with facts, you dodge the issue or change the subject.

    People in hospital with the plague are still alive. Clearing the hospitals of patients with anything else will result in a massive spike in deaths from other things for years to come as the NHS became just a Covid Clinic in 2020. It also led to a massive death toll in the care home system as the NHS broke its own guidelines and sent untested bed blockers into a care system where social distancing was no real possibility, killing 20,000.

    As usual you resort to your brain dead politics because everything is the government’s fault, not the thousands of people around the country who have not stuck to the very simple instructions requiring personal responsibility.

    The clear problem in two of the worst effected Western countries – the United States and the United Kingdom – is that their planning was based upon the theory that any pandemic would be a form of influenza, so they stockpiled the wrong type of equipment and had the wrong plan of action. The previous coronavirus outbreak killed a few hundred people around the world so on available evidence there was no real threat.

    You continue to ignore the fact that the first lockdown was delayed because the government followed the bad advice of unscientific SAGE, who initially said not to lockdown and then changed their minds.

    According to the January 2021 estimate from the ONS, the total deaths (all causes) in England and Wales in 2020 was 614,114, of whom 483,620 were aged 70 or over; and 66,883 were in their sixties. I note that in all the ONS data downloads they refer to deaths “involving coronavirus (COVID-19)”, a clear admission they are publishing guesswork. Almost half of the spreadsheet set is taken up with pages devoted to the plague and none to any of the more common causes of death.

    Let us try some basic arithmetic using ONS numbers:
    2016: total deaths 524,474; deaths over age of 65 442,767; deaths not involving Covid 524,474.
    2017: total deaths 533,125; deaths over age of 65 452,329; deaths not involving Covid 533,125.
    2018: total deaths 539,340; deaths over age of 65 456,731; deaths not involving Covid 539,340.
    2019: total deaths 527,234; deaths over age of 65 445,824; deaths not involving Covid 527,234.
    2020: total deaths 614,114; deaths over age of 65 522,186; deaths not involving Covid 536,428.

    Deaths ‘not involving Covid’ seem pretty consistent in the last five years but 614,114 minus 536,428 is 77,686 so where did 100,000 come from? Adding in Scotland and Northern Ireland is not enough.

    That vacuous point about five days at Christmas is not supported by the facts but why would you let facts get in the way of your Blame Boris narrative? The deaths ‘involving’ Covid started to rise in mid September and peaked in the last week of November. They only topped that peak in the last week of 2020, so Christmas killed people really quickly.

    Those of us that live in the real world governed by facts have already accepted that the risk of coronavirus is never going to go away. We need to start to learn to live with that additional risk and restrictions on international travel. The Chinese whitewash is already being aided and abetted by the World Health Organisation; and it is surely only a matter of time before a mutation comes along that the vaccines do not inhibit. We still do not know how long the vaccines are going to be effective for Covid-19: a permanent cycle of inoculations may be the future norm.
     
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  13. QuarterMoonII

    QuarterMoonII Economist

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    The Office for National Statistics is a non-governmental organisation that reports to Parliament but, as usual, those with a hard Left agenda have no problem ignoring the inconvenient facts. Clearly the Sage of North West Wales believes that Communism or Marxism is the answer and just over 900 local people agree. I think Lenin had a few more supporters for his coup d’etat but keep dreaming.
     
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  14. QuarterMoonII

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    The European Medicines Agency gave conditional approval to the Oxford/AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine just hours after AZN published the contract that it had entered into with the EU. Read what you like into that coincidence. The AZN contract does include British production within the scope of supply sources but specifies no delivery date. When the EU published its version it redacted the inconvenient parts of it.

    Just a few posts ago, somebody wrote on this thread about how a government’s first duty was to the people. Clearly in EU member states, the government’s first duty is to the European project. This is why the German and French governments have abrogated their domestic responsibilities and expected the incompetent EU to take care of everything.

    When it came to placing orders for vaccines, the European Commission used the EU’s collective purchasing power to order insufficient numbers of doses from several prospective sources, including France’s Sanofi, whose vaccine may not be available until autumn 2021 (if approved). There was no EU law preventing individual nations from making their own purchases but in the interests of EU solidarity they left it to Brussels, so Germany found Pfizer vaccines being exported from factories in Frankfurt to the UK that it could not use itself as the vaccine awaited EU approval. I have read in recent days that many vaccination centres in Spain are closing because they have run out of doses.

    The production issues with the AZN vaccine are in the European factories such as the ones in Belgium and the Netherlands. The EU want AZN to divert supplies from their British production to the EU and think they can get their way by restricting bought and paid for Pfizer exports from the EU to ‘third countries’ (us). The European Council is looking into the possibility of invoking its emergency powers to seize control of all European pharmaceutical production, which would make it an unelected totalitarian regime. The Empire strikes back: Vive le projet. Down the line, global pharmaceuticals will think twice about setting up sites in the not so free market EU.

    The British government put billions into the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine research, which has resulted in the cheapest and most easily distributed vaccine. Plans are already underway for that vaccine to be produced in Pune, India, for distribution there and in the developing world at cost. The failing EU is receiving an object lesson in how competition in global pharmaceuticals works better than socialist protectionism. I am sure that we can show some neighbourly benevolence to them.
     
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  15. QuarterMoonII

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    Yet more factual inaccuracy from the hard Left. The Office for National Statistics figures do include deaths at home – it does not matter where you die, a death certificate is still issued. The inconvenient truth again. <doh>

    Week ending 15th January 2021: England and Wales deaths ‘involving’ Covid
    Home: 430
    Hospital: 5,386
    Hospice: 104
    Care Home: 1,271
    Other communal establishment: 24
    Elsewhere: 30​
     
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  16. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

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    Apparently there's bad feeling between Brussels and London. If I was in that fine city of Dublin I wouldn't feel too positive about Brussels.
     
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  17. rudebwoy

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    those totals aren’t given by the govt mouthpieces though are they ? you know full well the figures that are given daily are just hospital deaths , why you right wing cronies seek to defend a govt that has by any measure been , incompetent at best , and downright unfit to govern in reality
     
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  18. QuarterMoonII

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    Who is defending the government? I am just pointing out the bad habit that you and other dolts on the Left have of ignoring facts that do not fit your narrative. The poor sad minority of losers on the Left crying because they could not get a lifetime loser elected Prime Minister, so instead they are stuck with somebody that the electorate viewed as less incompetent.

    Of course Prime Minister Corbyn would have turned on the money printing machine on the 13th December 2019, miraculously produced thousands of doctors and nurses out of the air to use the 500 new hospitals that were being built and fully equipped (by the Chinese) in time for Christmas. All of that assuming that he could have found somebody else to make the decisions as that was always a bit of a problem – ironic that the Left complain about Boris dithering. Marxist McDonnell would have nationalised everything so the world’s greatest epidemiologists would have been flocking to work in Britain, funding and equipment no object.

    The Red Army would have been on the streets in March 2020 enforcing a total lockdown just like Wuhan. Diane Abbott would be governor of London province with Steveo as her right hand man, advised by an army of Facebook experts. <laugh>
     
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  19. QuarterMoonII

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    Summer 2021 foreign holidays nicely summed up
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  20. Toby

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    No they're not.

    We're also relying on vaccines made in the EU, and selfishly hogging as many as possible. This rushed rollout is the Tory party trying to cover the shambolic handling of the pandemic so far. Hopefully one day the theft of public funds and the hopeless U-turns will come back to bite them.
     
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