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  1. banksyisourhero

    banksyisourhero Well-Known Member

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    Do you not think that was on the back of being told we are going for the premiership and Europe in 5 years..?

    If you are stupid enough to tell fans that its hardly worth complaining when they throw it back at you is it..
     
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  2. Supcon72

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    I agree his comments will come back to haunt him, however there are people on here clearly stupid enough to believe him, and thought that equalled promotion this season.

    I have been saying for 20 years I'm going to win millions on the lottery, and I'll keep saying it until I die, doesn't mean it'll happen, no matter how much I want it or believe it.......
     
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    I think you could well be spot on and this was actually my opinion all along. I didn't want LJ sacked at all until the final few games of that appalling run, and it was based entirely on the fact that there's no point sacking someone unless you have someone better to replace him with. And to me, Gary Rowett isn't/wasn't the answer.
     
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  4. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Can't argue with any of that....I think it's gonna depend on who LJ & co brings in over the summer for the haters to back him or his team.
    Also, I don't see SL changing anything on the managerial side for at least the first dozen games of the new campaign (subject to straight defeats) unless Jose or Pep fancies a new challenge!!
     
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    Im not a hater. I do think he is very lucky to still be in a job after that disastrous run. A run that would have seen him go at the vast majority elsewhere. On current form he has done really well and with the backing he has had,I think he will quite clearly be in charge next season.That doesn't bother me. I'm not concerned who is in charge. What does concern me is the performance of the team that I have supported since childhood.
    Improvement is required without doubt-Quite how next season shapes up will be very interesting.
     
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    That was a response to a loaded question which he couldn't win with. If he had responded by saying that in five years he hoped to be challenging at the top of the Championship he would be slated for having no ambition, and lets not forget he still has 4 years to go!!
     
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  7. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    My sentiments exactly. I was calling for LJ to go when we were on that terrible run - and he is VERY lucky that SL stood by him, but the ship has been stabilised and I am no longer concerned about getting rid of him now and don't care if he starts next season.
    If we embark on another sequence of defeats, or his selections/formations/use of subs start to look questionable I will be grumbling again though - as I did with Cotts and I would with ANY manager.
     
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    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    Just to add to the above - I would have sacked LJ after the Cardiff home defeat (as I have said many times on here). We will never know if that would have turned us around earlier, however - Nottingham Forest haven't exactly set the league alight after changing their manager - neither have Birmingham after sacking Rowett - or Zola (although 1 game isn't enough to judge Arry by). What I am trying to say is that changing the manager doesn't ALWAYS work out for the better.
     
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  9. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    I've been saying this for months.....for me, there was one opportunity period I might have thought of sacking LJ and that was around Christmas time before January window....After that, the gamble was 50 50, so to me no point being there were no decent managers available..
     
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  10. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    It's all about timescales.

    LJ wont be our Manager forever. That's a fact.

    He asked for, and will be given 3 transfer windows to deliver a team capable of seriously challenging to get into the Premiership. That's two more windows then his tenure as manager has deserved in my opinion.

    If we start brightly next season and then fade away (or plummet again like this season) he ought to be sacked. If we start badly next season then he will also be sacked after a dozen games of so.

    He has wriggled out of jail on numerous occasions this season, when IMHO he would have been sacked at any other club bar Bristol City. If he spends a **** load more money in the Summer and we struggle then it should be curtains.

    Maybe then we can all move on.
     
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    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    .... of course, the other scenario is that we romp the league next season and crash the Prem - in which case he will be viewed in similar esteem as Alan Dicks and we will all be happy and love each other again................ ;)

    <laugh>
     
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  12. banksyisourhero

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    There are better ways to answer that question than with that blatant claptrap.

    "Lets see where it takes us etc"

    " We are very ambitous, we will do our best etc etc"

    For a highly trained clipboard manager his media training needs to some updating.

    We have survived relegation this season due to the sheer weight of demand from fans to play a settled side, to play a settled formation (4-4-2) being the preferred choice and to stick with his tactics for a bit longer than 10 mins per half. once he did this we have improved. To me the man is stealing a living, without Tammy or a decent replacement We will spend next season in the same predicament or worse.

    It wasn't any Lee Johnson genius that saved us this season but it was him that put us there!

    This is my opinion, I genuinely hope I am wrong.
     
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    If he had answered with your first response people would say he doesn't know where is going and as for trying our best. ' losers always whine about their best winners go home and shag the prom queen' :emoticon-0105-wink:

    And for the suggestion that it was the fans that got him playing 4-4-2 that just ridiculous. What did we do turn up at training and organise tactics, or did someone bombard him with emails and texts or was it just subliminal messaging?
     
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  14. banksyisourhero

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    I sat there and watch him get grilled on just that subject in front of my very eyes, he was very uncomfortable just being there. You would be surprised how many fans are able to put their point to him on a daily basis, but then to you he probably lives in an ivory tower somewhere untouchable by us mere mortals.

    Why do you think he suddenly changed to 4-4-2 and stopped ****ing about with the side??

    And why do you think once he did that we improved with players that he had previously discarded, Was the criticism proved to be correct or not? The sheer fact that had to happen is a major reason why I just have no respect left for him.

    You may have a very short memory and and inability to see what is very clearly right in front of everyones eyes Mr Superfan, but I don't.

    But then again, you know everything don't you.

    Or you chat constant ****e..
     
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  15. Loathsneyd

    Loathsneyd Well-Known Member

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    Oh damn Superfan and here's me having money on being called a Happy Clapper first

    Or I am I just a fan that realises that we don't go from relegation candidates with a threadbare squad to world beaters in a space of a few months just because we spent a bit of money?
     
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    City have spent record sums not a bit.
     
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  17. Loathsneyd

    Loathsneyd Well-Known Member

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    In footballing terms it's a bit of money. Record sums for City is irrelevant when you consider we are competing in a league where a majority of the clubs have played in the Premiership and have access to the riches that entails. We had a small squad which almost got relegated. We had to spend money and players aren't cheap these days. Its not 1976 anymore
     
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  18. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    I pay record sums everyday for goods, doesn't necessarily make my lifestyle any better!!.......I think it's known as inflation!!
     
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  19. banksyisourhero

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    Many items you buy will be proportionally less than decades ago in comparison to your earnings, its irrelevant.

    I don't really get whats so hard to understand here!

    We were told "we are going for it!" when this money was being spent. not we have to spend this to stand still, those weren't my words, they came from various corners of the club. Going for what.. a relegation struggle each year?

    Teams that keep flirting with relegation will eventually fall.. Rotherham, Sunderland, Rovers being examples without even thinking about it

    I don't really care how much they spend really, its the meaningless waffle that comes with it that annoys me, weasel words that take advantage of us mugs that they know will loyally support the club, they treat you like mug customers but without the advantages
    of customer loyalty. Take it or leave it mate is their attitude. Thats why they threaten to take your seat away from you before we knew the division we would be in.

    Still there plenty of mugs about to take advantage of ain't there.
     
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  20. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    I agree regards to items being proportionally less to earnings, but still shows prices are at record highs (houses as an example)

    I do think we have to be a bit honest with ourselves, this was only the second year in the championship......Yes we've spent a bit of money and i do agree this season has been a massive disappointment. I guess the manager and co has to "big up" the aim of the game, otherwise they will be seen to be negative. We know it's waffle, it's like every 4 years the media leads us in to thinking we're gonna win the world cup!! the championship is an extremely competitive league, no clubs find it easy to compete in......I know most don't want LJ here but in my opinion stability within the club can only help our cause as appose to changing manager everytime we go through a bad spell, we've done that been there..
    Next season is key for me as regards to LJ and where the club are going....Playoff position minimum..
     
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