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Spare Parts (F1 odds and ends)

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Masanari, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member
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    The halo is just a poor idea. The reduced visibility could cause more accidents and with no crumple zone so to speak could cause massive decelerations.

    It's a start I suppose but has so many problems. It's like prepping a car to only crash forwards and ignoring side and rear impacts. Yeah it's a start, but is it really acceptable to have a solution so lacking?
     
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  2. ched999uk

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    It did seem to be a poor idea for protecting the drivers head. While it might have helped if the object was a wheel it only seemed good protection from low height. If the wheel was on the down of a bounce it looked like it could still hit the drivers head.
    If I remember correctly in F1 the last 2 incidences of drivers head trauma (Massa and Jules) neither would have been helped by the halo.

    Sorry to say but the proposed solution is just not good enough.
     
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  3. Sportista

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    I don't get the whole "there's a solution, so they are liable if they don't introduce it". Doesn't seem to apply in professional boxing...?
     
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  4. Quagmireuk

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    The big thing to come from this is the freeing up of radio communication with no limits. That how I've read it anyway? No rules against coaching, tips, times... Is that right?
     
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  5. Quagmireuk

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    From the BBC

    The FIA statement said: "With the exception of the period between the start of the formation lap and the start of the race, there will be no limitations on messages teams send to drivers either by radio or pit board.

    "This approach is aimed at providing improved content for fans and spectators, as teams will now be required to provide the commercial rights holder with unrestricted access to their radio messages at all times that their cars are out of the garage."
     
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  6. Sportista

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    Rule stayed in place just long enough for Merc to stuff Rosberg up... What was it Bernie said about the benefits of having Hamilton as WDC again...?
     
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  7. SgtBhaji

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    Err.....

    FOM and the FIA at work:

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  8. Julius Caesar

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    Better no rules on the radio messages at all than the fiasco we had last weekend with Jenson. However, i don't see why it would be so hard to simply add an exception for reliability issues to the existing rule rather than scrap it all together.

    The changes to allow standing starts in the wet are promising. But i fear that it means doing 10 safety car laps until it's effectively ready for slicks. Would love to be proved wrong.

    I'm also torn about the halo decision. It's certainly an eyesore, but the drivers certainty seemed convinced it would improve safety (which is surely more important than visuals?). Hopefully they can come up with a better solution for 2018 that's both safer and prettier (Aeroscreen?)

    Overall this is actually a relatively good day for the F1 strategy group.
     
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  9. SgtBhaji

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    I'm no saying it's bad they've all but scrapped the radio restrictions, but we've seen them apply their own rule incorrectly, and now they've scrapped it because they're not sure how to apply the knee jerk crap they bring in. They're completely off their mash.
     
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  10. DHCanary

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    Halo is apparently 100% in the 2018 regulations apparently. Presumably the concept can be adjusted somewhat, otherwise what would be the point in delaying implementation?
     
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  12. SgtBhaji

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    Wouldn't it be easier to make it that any lap where a driver passes through a sector with waved yellows will not be counted. That way they'll always back off for them to save tyres for the next run.
     
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    My issue with this is that, as I see it, it's basically giving drivers free reign to ignore single waved yellows. Removing double yellows as an option also means single yellows will probably be stretched to cover a wider range of conditions, because there's some things that are just about worthy of double yellows as a precaution that you'd be mad to stop a session over. That will lead to drivers attacking sectors under yellows with less of an idea of what is actually ahead.
     
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  14. SgtBhaji

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    Quite true... it's another knee jerk decision that just hasn't been thought through properly.
     
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    It's a joke and whilst the ever improving track made it difficult not to improve - even with a lift - the principle is fundamentally flawed.

    I raised this back in China (I think) when Lewis escaped being knocked out. He went purple in the sector with a yellow (ironic) but the general concensus was that he would have lifted in the mini sector so it was ok.

    I don't agree with the new system, but I also didn't agree with drivers not paying respect to a caution.
     
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    To me the problem is FIA have not enforced the waved yellow as 'be prepared to stop' and they have allowed it become just lift fractionally and that is acceptable.
    Again to me, if the FIA issue a 'clarification' to the waved yellows (slow to pit lane speed for example) that would then suggest they were previously wrong in allowing drivers to just lift. Thus Jule's family have more evidence of FIA neglect!
     
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  17. SgtBhaji

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    Yup... So why they just don't enforce the rule is beyond me. No need to change the way incidents are flagged. That's just going to cause more confusion and probelms.
     
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    Very true but it does mean they are not admitting their 'lift briefly' for yellows was wrong!!! Thus legally protecting themselves as much as possible from any liability for Jules tragic and imho preventable accident .
     
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  19. SgtBhaji

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    To achieve that then they'd have to change flagging across the board. To me it just seems like another example of the sport missing something that's staring them right in the face. They have a rule, just start implementing it properly.
     
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    Some very interesting posts by you two: Bhaji and Ched. I have to say, I'm in general agreement with you both.
     
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