Off Topic European Debate Thread

I like the fact the in voters are saying the out voters are anti Europe. But the truth is they are anti EU not the Europeans as general.
You can see when ever people get flustered now they use the race card. And this is what drives me mad with the whole PC crap. Lose and arguement and turn to that card to state you are a bigot.
Truth is we don't know what will happen if we come out apart from it will / could be hard for a year or two when other EU countries play hard ball, then it should hopefully even itself out.
But will we if vote out, lose these stupid laws, or will the lawyers then play human rights clap trap just prolong it into debate and court to line their pockets more.
Why can't we if an European citizen commits a crime send them home? When a lot of them committed the crime in that country most of the time. Freedom of movement should be both ways. Ater all they probably still hold their own country passport not a UK one so technically they are still that countries problem.

 

Trouble is that Switzerland and Norway models still accept freedom of movement whilst the turkey model would likely crumble our financial district if no financial deal occurs

 

Do you honest think the Germans and French will stop trading with one of their biggest trading partners (The UK) if they were to leave the EU?

Peter Hargreaves formerly of Lansdown Hargreaves thinks all these project fears are nonsense.

 

No of course they won't but we know that we won't at the same time. At the end of the day the deal we strike with Europe will only be worse outside of it as they have a larger power than us and less need of us than we need them.

And Peter Hargreaves being on the outside makes me question using Hargreaves landsdown for investments

 

Yes trading will continue.

He is now a shareholder of that company.

Why would you question the judgement of Peter Hargreaves when he is one of the UK's most successful businessmen?

 

And the winner of the silly response goes to MTG

I think Peter Hargreaves can just about survive without your pocket money

 

Who would you go to for financial advice on investments?

A Bus station loony
B Peter Hargreaves.

As far as the economy goes Mr Hargreaves is as heavy hitting as Chris Gayle.

 

The first time I have seen both sides of the argument in one place is in the latest Wetherspoons magazine.
About 13 pages dedicated to the topic.

 

Yes. Tim Martin was on Question Time a few weeks back.
I have to admit his magazine has 4-5 pages on the 'In' view and the other 7-8 on 'Out', but at least it's something - I'll be reading it over the next day or two.

 

Leave the EU will set us back years and opens the door to an extreme right wing government and no Country ever wants......If people think parts of the UK are in poverty and have to use Food banks to feed their families today then stand by for a huge reality shock that today's poverty is nothing to what will happen if we leave the protection of the EU and being run by an extreme right wing government......Just look around every village town and city and count how many signs you see with the words "Funded by the EU. Find out how many peoples jobs are reliant on the EU and indirectly reliant on EU in your area and you will be surprised and some voters might even be voting to lose their own jobs and they don't know it. The pound is already losing its value and growth is likely to plummet which in turn will force prices to rise on almost everything, It is being in the EU that keeps prices reasonable and the aircraft industry say coming out will put at least £200/person on their holidays, So beware when you book anything to do with travel. By staying in you know exactly where you and your family stand, By voting out you will be chancing your luck and putting your faith in right wing politicians who will say and do anything to get into power and god forbid if that ever happens it wont take long for you to realize you have been conned big time and it will all be to late to say that Being inside the EU with warts and all is not that bad after all.....

 

border patrol .. our defence against illegals ! descended on a chicken processing plant 8in the midlands 70 workers signed on at start of the shift 1 yes 1 was actually british! 69 were of a number of different nationalities 23 were illegal . a number of them had Romanian work visa's ... but none of them were Romanian and all the visa's were counterfeit
it also appeared that 1 person a legal euro, but needed a VISA was paid £250 a week and when asked how many hours they did said about 60 ! HER FINE WAS UP TO £1000
250/60 = £4.17 ph the owner was fined £60,000 FOR VARIOUS BREACH'S

so even though we have "full control now" a lot needs to be done ...

 

Swansea and proud ...tv programme last night on heads of valleys and townships found the majority of those interviewed want to leave especially one village near Blaenavon who as yet .. qupote " had not fallen foul of immigration problems ..... yet" and they all stated they knew about the euro money poured into Wales ..not separate money but part of the money paid back to the UK ..! ?

 

Leaving won't affect the number of illegal immigrants as nothing will change on that front. Perhaps if the minimum wage was lower then there'd have been more British workers

 

So you are anti democracy?

 

You see how people can be conned by the above quote.....
Your siding with a bunch of power hungry idiots that dont give a toss about you or me....
Iv mentioned this before but it does no harm to mention it again.....
Take Ian D Smith as an example, the man who was jumping for joy caught on camera when the chancellor said in his budget speech about the cuts to the welfare reform and the targets to be hit were the most vulnerable people in our society.....He had the biggest smile there and one of his comments was and i quote " A familly with 2 children who receive housing benefit should not get more than £50/ week to live on and he meant it....this is what you get from the extreme right wing polictition and that's why no country ever want those sort of politicians in power. The same time as he said that he turned around and said he deserved his £11,000 pay rise as he is not paid enough......
Today because there is a referendum he and his cronies see a great chance of getting the right wing into power and from being this man jumping up and down at the welfare cuts to the most vulnerable people he has suddenly changed his mind and said the welfare cuts had gone too far.....ffs he was the main advocate of those cuts.....He resigned from the government under all that publicity as if he cared about the poor........No he resigned to lead the out of Europe campaign with the other right wing politicians like Boris and Gove. None of them can tell you how it will effect the average family or who is going to have their livelihood looked after when all the jobs funded by the EU and factories built and owned by EU are finished and moved to one of the other EU countries.....They refuse to talk about the real issues and for anyone not on this planet then they are the ones who are being conned or they dont understand the consequences of a Right wing government and the damage it can do to the UK....

 

Welcome to the debate Swanseaandproud

The vote at the start of this thread should reflect the trend of this audience.
Your argument is well articulated, but you will have to do more that say that IDS and Gove are tossers - most of us think that anyway. As I have said earlier in the debate more than once - this topic doesn't conform to usual party lines - there are divisions in both Labour and the Tories over this - the only parties truly speaking with one voice on this is UKIP and possibly the Lib-Dems.

 

Leaving the EU won't get any far right in it won't change anything as people will still vote for whither usually do. Look at Austria and France the far right is on the increase and oh they are in the EU.