Off Topic France

The polls showing that she has little chance in a second round are probably correct. I think that she is not getting much help when people here see how women leaders perform. There is a feeling that change is needed, but she is now seen by many as part of the old guard. Macron who has come from nowhere is getting far larger crowds at his rallies than she is at hers, and it will be very interesting to see if he can keep it up, and where he will take his voters from.

 

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France cannot possibly do Frexit, that would be wrong. I could see a Frehors/Fredans vote though.

 

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Is France the place where Brits used to go to before they turned spiteful due to Brexit.? I don't see much French produce available in UK supermarkets anymore. Can you still buy a French house for peanuts?

Oh dear.

 

It is interesting to see how the polls and 1st round vote have changed since I last made a comment on this thread in February. Le Pen has lost ground, even in the areas that she was strongest, while Macron has taken votes from people of all parties. He shows up what a poor bunch of leaders exist here and in the UK, as his approach is bringing the country together rather than driving wedges ever deeper.
His latest comments about the EU needing reform are something that all can agree with, but he is not expecting to stamp his foot and watch every other country change to the exclusive benefit of France. At the time of the referendum I would quote from the Centre for European Reform that showed how you went about achieving it, but this didn't sit happily with the likes of Farage, Cash, Gove and other like minded individuals. If the UK had seen how the break up of the old established parties here was taking place they could have agreed to work with France from within to get change, but that did not appeal to those who hoped for a government job and they did not have the wit to understand that things are moving on, while the UK seems stuck in some wishful bygone era.

 

I very much doubt the EU is capable of change, it is run for the benefit of those in Brussels who are looking for more integration. They have a point. The only way the Euro can survive is for fiscal union to follow the political union. The fact that not many inhabitants of Europe want that is a bit of a stumbling block but the answer as usual is not to ask them. The Uk had the cheek to challenge this concept, how dare they!!

Le Pen is forecast to receive 40% of the vote which is astonishing for a party that has been described as neo nazi. It just shows how divided France is at the moment. Macron is an unproven lightweight who will have a very difficult time finding allies that stick with him for the long term. I was surprised how many in France really have a dislike for him. Troubled times ahead I fear.

 

What point are you making?

French spiteful? Massive generalisation.

Country housing market has collapsed due to economy and BREXIT... No Brits buying at the mo. Still cost you a pretty cent to buy a new house or one in a city though....

 

I am not sure where you get that 40% forecast from.
All other parties well get behind Macron as they always unite against the far right. She may get 30% though

 

Macron: EU must reform or face 'Frexit'

 

Yes he has clearly said that to get moderate right votes

 

Whatever percentage of the poll that Le Pen gets will be a failure unless she wins. She has tried to make it look more like a mainstream party, but when the newly appointed President of the FN has to resign over comments he has made, then it shows that it has not changed from the days of her father.

 

The right don't like him because of his part in a lousy socialist government, the left dislike him because of his past being an investment banker. He is firmly part of the establishment, There is likely to be the opposite of a 'strong and stable government' in the next few years in France.

 

yes but not from either main political party.

A strong and stable government? Just words ..doesnt mean anything in any case. Hitler had a strong and stable Govt.... as does China with its appalling human rights abuses... and Russia..... mmm ...all the fascist governments...

 

Why do you always appear so gleefull about the problems which France has ?

 

Not gleeful at all, just spelling out the forthcoming problems of electing a president without any troops. It makes the UK look good being run by a strong and stable government.!!

 

I am afraid all he can do are tabloid headline stereotypes.... i guess if you read the Sun and it denigrates the French..... well they must be right etc

sorry but it seems to be the case....

The old bulldog British mentality we have to be better than and defend ourselves against the enemy across the seas

 

Have I mentioned the 'strong and stable' government yet?

 

It's a toss up which has been mentioned more - 'strong and stable government' (Stalin, Hitler etc.) or 'The Will of the People' (Robespierre) - they've both been mentioned more often than I ever talked about party membership

 

I see you slipped in 'party membership' the other day you naughty boy.