General Election June 8TH

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  1. Greenarmyjoe

    Greenarmyjoe Well-Known Member

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    VOTE MAY... only way forward.. makes sense.. hope fully then Corbyn and Ukip may disappear. He speaks utter ****.
    Agree with the comments on the situation with the terrorism at present caused by labour and May gets the blame as she was home secretary..
    As you say the poor get poorer.. the rich get richer. only because they go to work.
    Corbin wanting to give everyone 10.00 per hour.. That will put businesses out as some people are not worth the minimum wage now.. believe me. All our lads on under that cost will go as some are not tradesman and not worth that money. Everything with go up to pay for it so they won't be netter off.
    Off to vote now..
    Hopefully the country sees sense this time unlike the referendum :eek::eek:
     
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  2. Plymborn

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    1.....They're humiliated here every time sensible.........Lib/Dems were always second.......even won the seat once during the 1960's (Lubbock)....last time beaten into third place by UKIP.

    2.....Glad to have helped you decide....:huh:
     
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  3. Plymborn

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    11.40am and I still haven't voted....only 150 yard walk through the alleyway.....Boris's little brother has probably already got enough votes to win this seat.
     
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  4. Greenarmyjoe

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    Go up and put the cross in the box Plym, your vote may be needed to make the difference?
     
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  5. sensiblegreeny

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    Too late they're closed.............
     
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  6. Plymborn

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    Exit polls suggest that the Tory's have lost there majority (BBC)....if that is the case May has cocked it up and got it wrong.....for the sake of the Country I hope that is wrong.
     
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    If that exit poll is correct then Theresa May could well have to resign.....so say BBC.
     
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    1.....Hung Parliament

    2.....Theresa May got it wrong.....can she stay as PM.

    3.....UKIP votes went also to the Labour party not just the Tories....undermining a chance of the Tories increasing their majority.

    4.....SNP lose seats....suggesting Scotland doesn't want another referendum on independence.

    5.....Hard Brexit is not on.....but who can negotiate a softer Brexit.....maybe not May anymore.

    6.....Jeremy Corbyn gets more backing than anyone expected.

    7.....Austerity rejected by many in the country.

    8.....Theresa May expected to talk to us from No10 this morning.

    9.....Conservatives can achieve a majority with support from N Irelands DUP party....318 + 10 = 328.......326 needed for a majority.
     
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  9. notDistantGreen

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    I'm absolutely delighted with this.

    Teresa May said the election was about Brexit, at the beginning and at the end, notwithstanding she didn't actually say anything about it in between. Well this is the result. Perhaps now Parliament will have the balls to do what it is supposed to do and oversee the Government, including the potential for a referendum on the proposed terms.
     
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  10. Plymborn

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    More young people voted.....with tuition fees top of their agenda.....Labour gained there....but how do they pay for it ?
     
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    A Conservative and DUP government would have a majority of 4.....but Sinn Fein who have 7 seats never use them.......so that equals a working majority of 11.

    Ukip votes went more evenly than thought between Tory and Labour.
     
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    UKIP leader Paul Nuttall resigns with immediate effect.....thank goodness for that.
     
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    Well done to the good people of Plymouth for doing the right thing, what was the deciding factor there, RN cuts or just a lot of students voting?
     
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  14. Plymborn

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    Theresa May will struggle on until the summer recess,......then... the party I reckon will start looking for a new leader.....how about the man who saved us from Boris....Michael Gove....he would do well negotiating in the EU....because he understand how they think....May hadn't a clue.....to many reversing moves would happen with her.
     
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    Interesting discussion on BBC2 regarding N Ireland.......Ever since the Good Friday agreement....Westminster Governments have always taken a neutral position between the parties so that they can openly talk to both sides.

    If the Tories cosy up with the DUP so that they can form a Government....that neutrality now has gone in N Ireland.... and how now do they deal with Sinn Fein whose opponents are now part of Theresa May's Government ?
     
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  16. Plymborn

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    Theresa May has got herself in-between a rock and an hard place x 2 since the election result.

    1.....She has move the government away from the middle ground in Northern Ireland.... by making an agreement with the DUP...so that her government has a working majority....this is already getting a response from Sinn Fein....who want to start talks on restarting the Northern Ireland assembly.....which to be honest is what is best for the area....instead of being governed from Westminster.....how can the Government be an honest broker in negotiations... when they depend on one of the parties to have a working majority in decision making.

    2.....Ruth Davidson's successful Scottish Conservative Party who have now 13 seats in Scotland....literally saved the Government from an even bigger disaster by taking seats from the SNP. She has her own agenda at Westminster...she will use her 13 seats to prioritise the single market over curbing immigration and would split votes at Westminster.....also Ruth Davidson has already signalled her opposition to Mrs May's deal with the DUP in blunt fashion by tweeting a link to the same-sex marriage lecture she gave at Amnesty's Pride lecture in Belfast last year.....the DUP are fundamentally against homosexuality in any shape or form .....gay marriage not condoned. The relationship between Mrs May and the Scottish Tories is strained.....and there is talk of the Scottish Tories breaking away and forming there own party.

    We haven't even considered her now lack of authority in the EU which she will be starting negotiation with in just over a weeks time....I think her time is running out as leader.
     
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  17. notDistantGreen

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    Hard to say whether there was anything local. The government has not yet ordered the new Type 46 frigates, much less confirmed whether any of them will be based at Devonport. We have been promised an influx of Royal Marines from bases elsewhere.

    The Sutton constituency does include the University campus so it may be that the yoof vote swung it.

    Then of course there are an unknown number of Conservative Remainers who either didn't vote in protest or voted for someone else....
     
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  18. Plymborn

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    It's hard to know if students have registered at their home constituency or at Uni to vote local.
     
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  19. notDistantGreen

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    Both Plymouth constituencies are quite marginal: the Conservative only had a majority of 500 or so in Sutton and 1,000 in Moorview going into Thursday's vote, both over Labour.

    Oddly, Johnny Mercer increased the Conservative majority in Moorview to 5,000 while Sutton went to Labour. Mercer seem have a much higher profile than the guy in Sutton: he's all over Twitter and as an ex Army officer, has seen seen on national TV being interviewed on defence matters. Perhaps that's it or perhaps it is the big student population in Sutton: the University now claims 27,000 students (26.950 of them doing marine biology I think).

    If you had a choice, you'd register in a marginal constituency, wouldn't you, although how many of the young realise that is doubtful. I saw one youthful voter claiming that she needed "an app" to help her make up their minds how to vote and another saying that online voting was essential because younger voters couldn't understand how to operate a physical ballot paper. God help us!
     
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  20. sensiblegreeny

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    Mercer is seen and heard. Colville was like the invisible man. Not seen in Westminster and seen even less in his constituency. He was my MP and have to say probably won't be missed. His successor is a local chap who is fairly well known locally. He apparently campaigned on local issues rather than the national. None of them knocked on my door or anyone elses in the street.

    I give it 6 months at the outside and we will be having another election. Before anyone starts on, if we hadn't had the referendum in the first place then we wouldn't have had the mess we have ended up with now.
     
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