Time to close this thread now. Whenever politics gets brought in it never goes well, some just can't help themselves. I wish people would stop bringing the subject up and the mods could be more stringent in nipping it in the bud.
It's a perfectly good example, 149,000 paid up members, but they got 10,703,654 votes, so only 1% of their supporters were paid up members. Paid up membership numbers are simply not a good enough indicator of an organisations total support, it's ridiculous to claim they are.
Thank you for opening the door. The worldwide membership of Greenpeace is approx. 2,9 million so over 6 Billion people don't care about global warming, deforestation, genetically modified crops, whaling, and any of the other things they protest about. The Green party in the UK has approx. 53,000 members so about 55 million don't care about renewable energy, nuclear waste, saving trees or newts and all the other things they protest about. I could go on. Your point of those who care will join a protest group and those who don't join one don't care is piss poor.
Not if you're comparing to a group that has stated it only represents its paid up members, not the 'electorate' and has no opposition parties to choose instead.
It doesn't show that because people may feel that the opposition have a better way or that, while they're important, other connected issues take priority..
Which means that the vast majority - 34,952,432 - either did not vote for them or were too bored by the whole thing to bother to vote at all - sound familiar?
I never suggested the majority voted for them, I was merely pointing out to Happy that using paid up membership as the only gauge of an organisations support was ridiculous.
Happy was trying to claim that those who don't join a protest group or the HCST don't care. I gave some examples to show that the number of members a group has does not show the full picture. As to your reply ????? what opposition to who or what have a better way ? and what other connected issues take priority.
ffs, I just gave an example of paid up memberships against actual support, the fact that I used an election for the numbers was completely irrelevant to the point being made. The point was equally made using Greenpeace as an example, though I've no doubt you'd have found fault with whatever example I'd used.
I'd have found fault if it was an equally piss poor example, which would include any of the General Election parties. I can see the point you're struggling to make, but that really was a ****e attempt. Just accept you ****ed up again and move on.
You can see what i am saying because i put it as clear as i could. I have no idea what you're trying say. The key point is Happy claimed those who don't join a protest group don't care.
Fair point. I didn't read the earlier reply, only the one about a lack of commitment in joining protest groups, and jumped in basing my response on that. My mistake.
You asked what made me think they don't care. I responded with my reason. I asked you what makes you think the majority do care about the name. You ignored that and went off on a tangent.
Sorry mate missed that bit, it's just apathy More than 6 billion didn't join Greenpeace but no way can you say all those don't care. And it's the same with the name change CTWD got what members they did but you can't claim all those who didn't join don't care. It's the way of the modern world sad but true. I don't think i said that the majority care, we will probably never know.