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Off Topic Hull council to seek partner to build cruise terminal

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  1. Barchullona

    Barchullona Well-Known Member

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    A computer generated picture of an imaginary cruise ship?

    Seriously, any idea how large a vessel could be managed at different locations?
     
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  2. originallambrettaman

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    No idea, I've no technical knowledge of these things and I've not seen specific details published anywhere with regard to this potential development.
     
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  3. Barchullona

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    Just wondered as one reason Southampton is so popular is that it can accommodate large vessels and the tides mean they can in effect have two lots of arrivals and departures each day. Although these floating hotels nowadays don't have the same drafts as the old transatlantic liners there may be restrictions as to what could use the various sites mentioned.
     
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  4. Fez

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    It's a wonderful opportunity and it should trigger imaginative, proactive thinking. Hull should be developed from the Humber heading north; move the old factories into peripheral sites, turn the Humber shoreline into a modern, vibrant tourist Center, staging post of quality to our beautiful county - look what the Tour de Yorshire generated in terms of enthusiasm and commitment. Use a state of the art mono-rail to get over obstacles, use belief and desire to make it happen.
     
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  5. DMD

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    As was the case with the post war redevelopments, the Council are showing willingness, desire and ambition, but like back then, it needs businesses to do their bit too.
     
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  6. originallambrettaman

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    Update...

    £31m cruise ship terminal for Hull 'not beyond reach'

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    CITY councillors say the idea of developing a new £31m cruise terminal in Hull is "not beyond reach".

    The ambitious scheme was launched almost three years ago as part of the council's ten-year Hull Plan.

    Since then, the authority has committed £800,000 to be spent on working up feasibility proposals.

    On Thursday, councillors will be asked to support a further £9.2m allocation towards the project over the next three years as part of the council's capital programme.

    Deputy council leader Councillor Daren Hale said government funding would ultimately be required to make it happen.

    He said: "There is money (in the budget) for preparatory work, but we are clear that we will need external investment.

    "I see it as a devolution must. If the Government wants to keep alive the idea of a Northern Powerhouse, they need to come up with something on the eastern side of the North to counter all the investment going into Manchester.

    "We have always said the cruise terminal will only happen as a regional infrastructure project as part of a devolution deal.

    "This is a cruise terminal for Yorkshire and the North, not just for Hull.

    "It is also fair that money comes from elsewhere, not just from Hull."

    Cllr Hale said talks with the Government were continuing.

    "I get the feeling we are pushing at an open door on this and I am confident it's not beyond reach," he said.

    There are currently two options being examined for a terminal – near The Deep and at the Riverside Quay near Albert Dock.

    Expert consultants are looking at both locations and what land-based infrastructure would be needed.

    Councillor Steven Bayes, cabinet portfolio holder for visitor destination, said the cruise terminal project was a potential game-changer for the city.

    "This development has the greatest capacity to alter the economy of Hull and to alter people's perceptions of the city," he said.

    "Importantly, it will bring people with disposable income into Hull.

    "Typically on cruise ships, a third of passengers stay on board, a third go on organised excursions and a third leave the ship and visit the port they are in.

    "Increasing spend and footfall is a key element of what we are trying to achieve in the city through improving the public realm.

    "Through that sort of work, further investment will come in, spending will increase and jobs will be created."

    Cllr Bayes said talks with cruise operators remained positive.

    He said: "We have had discussions with several cruise operators and they are immensely keen to have a facility in Hull.

    "They are very keen to open up the eastern side of England because, through the links to Europe – it works very well for them."

    Options for terminal

    FEASIBILITY studies have identified two potential locations for the terminal, one near The Deep and the other at Riverside Quay next to Albert Dock.

    As yet, no final decision has been made on a preferred site.

    There are also options over developing a so-called "port of call", which would act as a short-stay stopping point for passenger cruise ships, or a full-blown "home port" where ships start and complete cruises.

    A terminal handling 40 ships a year could bring 40,000 passengers to the city.

    http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/31m-...tory-28785657-detail/story.html#ixzz40ywg1kgu
     
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    I'm a big fan of this idea, but they need to forget sticking it anywhere near The Deep and just concentrate on the Albert Dock site.
     
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  8. Qatartiger Cambridgetiger

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    I simply cannot see any real downside to this. Like has been said Hull is a port which is a real advantage to our city. Basically this is a massive opportunity that we can't let slip.
     
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    This would be amazing.
     
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  10. GLP

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    There was a documentary on this recently. Having seen a disabled man having to be able to board the ship up some stairs - this definitely needs to happen. It would be great for the area.

    Things like this make me think the one floor discount outlet at Princes Quay is not a good idea. A full premium outlet would be a better option for all these potential tourists.
     
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    It's a very good idea, there's no way premium retailers will entertain taking units in there as things stand, either they increase footfall or the centre dies completely and discount outlet retail doesn't mean crap retail, the idea is to get outlet stores for premium brands, not Sport Direct type ****.
     
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    Increase Football!!!!!
    Havent we got enough games to play
     
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  13. originallambrettaman

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    ****ing auto-correct. <doh>
     
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    It's a very good idea to either have all discount, eating and leisure. Not the half and half proposed effort. There's enough room with all the empty shops for mainstream retail everywhere else.

    Princes Quay should be given over entirely to premium discount, eating and leisure. There's enough of them around to demonstrate their success - except Castleford as that is ****e. Cheshire Oaks, York, Livingston, Bicester (Which is Premium). Even the crappy little one at Mansfield is busy. That's what happens when you build a nation of consumers driven by discounts and hunting out a bargain.
     
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    Good post GLP.
    This is what people have become with an almost pound shop mentality.
    High end shops wont survive to long in places like here.
     
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  16. onlyme

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    is there any way they could knock princes quey down and build some thing nice
     
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  17. BrisbaneTiger

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    I hope this comes off as it would be good for Hull to embrace something like this. Over the years Hull has had a bit of a kicking with losing a lot of its proud industry, so successfully reinventing itself could potentially pay dividends for the City.

    They have cruises coming here into Brisbane and berth quite a way out from the City Centre, but they have developed a whole area around where they ships come into dock, with all the standard shopping and Restaurants etc, so it may not need to be right in the Centre. Im not sure how far people would travel within the stopover time period (I am assuming it isn't to be an Arrival/departure port) . Maybe As another poster says, if not Albert Dock then maybe the St Andrews Quay area. That way all of that could be developed to suit.

    As the passengers sail by, the Ships captain would be able to point out the areas main attraction to those stood on the top deck, the home of the reigning European Champions (Obviously would take a couple of years to build it, which should tie in nicely).....
     
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    Sadly, no.
     
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    Almost 30 shops planned for Princes Quay outlet mall in Hull

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    UP TO 28 stores could open in a new outlet mall in Hull's Princes Quay Shopping Centre.

    Proposals to revamp the venue were first unveiled last summer. Now the specialist outlet and asset management company brought in to oversee the facelift says it is making "good progress" in attracting tenants.

    Realm, which is the UK's largest outlet operator, is aiming to transform the shopping centre's first floor.

    Development director Dan Mason said: "We are making good progress with Princes Quay.

    "We are now onto the detailed stage of what we intend doing with the building and identifying the contractors to carry out that work.

    "On the marketing side, we are talking to a number of potential tenants and while we are not yet in a position to make any announcements, there is strong interest out there in what we are trying to achieve with Princes Quay."

    Mr Mason said up to 28 units were planned for is what eventually be known as the Quay's Outlet Deck.

    "That's the top number, but it could go down if someone wants a double unit or even a treble," he said.

    "Hopefully, we will be able to announce some names very soon and intend to be up and running later this year."

    Realm's track record is impressive. Its current portfolio of outlet shopping centre developments includes Junction 32 at Castleford, Lakeside Village in Doncaster and Resorts World in Birmingham.

    Last month, Realm reported a 5.1 per cent increase in footfall across over Christmas and New Year and a corresponding 11.2 per cent rise in turnover across the same period.

    Mr Mason said: "People will be familiar with most of the brands who trade at some of our other outlets, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will all be in Princes Quay. The intention is to announce our first tenants as soon as we possibly can."

    As well as a giant new wraparound advertising banner cloaking the shopping centre's car park, the other visible sign of what is to come is a new planning application seeking approval for up to three café units on the proposed Outlet Deck.

    Mr Mason said: "While we do not need planning permission for most of the mall, we do require a change of use consent for the café/restaurant use. Being able to market some café units will add to overall offer."

    Indicative floorplans submitted as part of the application show 28 individual units, although three are occupied by an anchor store.

    As well as the Outlet Deck, Realm is also overseeing plans to revamp the shopping centre's ground-floor food court area, which currently includes a Nando's and a Pizza Express.

    The facelift for the centre by its Saudi Arabian owners Jadwa Investment is aimed at reviving its fortunes following a shift in retail patterns in the city centre, partly influenced by the opening of St Stephen's in 2007, as well as the growth in online shopping.

    Speaking to the Mail last summer, centre manager Claire Suggitt said: "They are looking at brands that aren't already within the city and bringing big-name brands back, which were here before but left.

    "There will be a lot of high-end retail outlets. We're looking at the profile not just of Princes Quay but of the city."

    Princes Quay at a glance

    OPENED in 1991, Princes Quay ruled the waves as the city's premier shopping destination for more than a decade.

    But the arrival of St Stephen's changed all that.

    A 24-hour gym and a 12-lane bowling alley have been recently added in an attempt to widen the Quay's appeal, but the outlet mall will switch the focus back to retail.

    http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/30-s...tory-28793711-detail/story.html#ixzz414jjv2lm
     
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    I have had some crazy ideas over the years but one I did have I think is not so crazy after all. Give incentives to what shops remain down Whitefriargate to move to Princes Quay, think of Marks & Sparks in there, then turn the whole of Whitefriargate into a café culture area leading right into Trinity House Lane, Princes Dock St, Posterngate, Trinity Sq, and a revamped indoor market. Along with the area of Land Of Green Ginger who knows some life may be breathed back into the centre of Hull. Also if you could just look up above the shops down Whitefriargate there lots of empty flat like areas maybe used as store rooms at the moment but a lot are not used for anything and haven't been for years. Redevelopment could make it all residential, I know I know parking would be a problem just as it is now anywhere in Hull but of course the big fly in the ointment is Trinity House as I believe they own large areas of that part of the old town so bang goes another crazy idea. Just glad to see the Fruit seems to coming along nicely at the moment should start to look interesting once most of the building work is complete.
     
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