Is Ramsey the right man for the job?

Is Ramsey the right man for the job?
It depends what the job is
By David McIntyre 01/10/2015

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This was always likely to be a difficult season for QPR and it was always likely to be difficult for Chris Ramsey to keep the fans on side.

And after Friday’s debacle at Fulham, it’s clear that many feel they’ve already seen enough.

‘Not the man’. ‘Not the right manager for the job’. Apparently.

The man for what, though? What is the job?

That’s not being facetious. The central issue here is what QPR’s aims are after two expensive, foolhardy and ultimately unsuccessful attempts at the Premier League.

There’s also the wider question of what kind of club QPR is or wants to be; what makes it tick, and how it can succeed going forward. It’s a club with something of an identity crisis.

If, especially given that Charlie Austin and Matt Phillips stayed – an outcome which has undoubtedly undermined the club’s party line to the fans, that thismust be a season of consolidation – the aim for Rangers should be promotion or at least to seriously challenge for it, then Ramsey’s position is arguably untenable even at this early stage of the game.

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Austin and Phillips staying has increased the pressure on Ramsey

If QPR are looking for a manager to get the best out of an Austin and Phillips-inspired squad, that doesn’t really play to Ramsey’s strengths. So in that case, yes, he probably is the wrong man for the job.

But that’s not the job Ramsey was given.

Brave new world?
With the owners influenced by a change in attitude among the fans, and the realities of Financial Fair Play, the remit became to revert to the QPR of old, to develop youngsters and players from the lower divisions.

In that respect, Ramsey and Les Ferdinand have largely followed the brief.

Out went a number of older players and others would have gone too had it been possible to get rid of them.

In came Massimo Luongo and Ben Gladwin. Both have talent but are far from the finished article, were 22 and came from League One. Gladwin was playing non-League football not long ago.

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Luongo has shown promise since his summer move to Rangers

Grant Hall is 23 and a player Ramsey worked with at Tottenham. His career up to now means, to put it kindly, that QPR’s first team is a step up.

Because Ramsey’s face doesn’t fit, Hall playing well and then being taken out while his stock is high are seen as evidence of the manager’s shortcomings. They could be seen as totally the opposite.

Tjaronn Chery, meanwhile, is new to English football and admits he has some developing to do before he’s ready for the “next step”.

Leaving aside the separate issue of the substitution at Fulham, Chery’s early performances in the most physically demanding of leagues and the manager’s tendency to substitute him, are, again, seen by many as a reason to criticise Ramsey when they could otherwise be seen in a totally different light.

There was also an attempt to bring in Dan Bentley, who is regarded by many good judges as the best young lower-division keeper since Joe Hart, and other players with similar development potential have been and will be targeted.

The desire to build and develop a squad for the long term is there. The club’s existing youngsters have also been involved much more than previously.

This is the job Ramsey and Ferdinand were brought in for. It’s what many fans wanted. And many said they were sick of short-termism and wanted to see something sustainable built.

‘Just a coach – and not a good one’
His face doesn’t fit, so cliches about Ramsey being a coach rather than a manager will always be easy to reach for.

For the actual job he was given – the long-term job many wanted to see carried out – his credentials are sound.

In fact, it’d be tough to find many that are better qualified, given the progress of several players he worked with at Spurs and his experience coaching England’s Under-20 and Under-16 teams. Many in football regularly get jobs on the basis of much less.

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Wanted: Experienced manager with gravitas and a proven track record

It’s just as easy to ignore the progress of the likes of Luongo, Hall and especially Phillips – last season at least – during Ramsey’s short time at QPR and allege that there has been little sign of any coaching ability, despite his reputation.

That’s rubbish. Austin too has improved dramatically in terms of his all-round game in a very short period of time.

But Ramsey’s face doesn’t fit, so his achievements are glossed over.

‘His’ style of play has also been criticised.

This is the Football Manager era where you can simply switch from long ball to passing football and watch your changes in action, and where managers are seen almost as puppet-masters who control players on the pitch.

Teams lacking in confidence and fluency, which can happen for any number of reasons, tend to not be as brave with the ball as managers and fans would like. It’s part of the game.

Ramsey, like his predecessor, favours a passing style – and the club’s signings absolutely reflect that.

But Austin, QPR’s goalscorer and main man, who wasn’t expected to still be at the club at this point, has tended to struggle when the team have tried to play more intricately, although he is improving. That will leave any manager with a dilemma.


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Fitting the bill
Important steps have been taken in this respect.

The manager’s face doesn’t fit, so he’s been criticised for the style of play and yet also for signing several midfield players – the key to making the necessary change.

Daniel Tozser, brought in because Ramsey wanted another passing midfielder in addition to Alejandro Faurlin, isn’t fully fit and played earlier than expected because Faurlin picked up an injury.

Ramsey also wanted a ball-playing centre-back – again essential for the style of play many fans say they want. Tim Ream fitted the bill but chose Fulham, so Gabriele Angella was brought in.

That shows consistency and a clear direction when it comes to recruitment, rather than the random nature of Rangers’ previous scattergun approach.

That said, there’s no doubt that collectively Rangers have been poor, especially at the back. That doesn’t reflect well on any coach.

Some might argue that debate over Ramsey’s remit is all well and good, but the minimum requirement has to be at least to have some semblance of effort, cohesion and motivation – all sorely lacking during the horror show at Fulham.

But that kind of disgusting performance isn’t unique to the inexperienced and unglamorous ‘coach not manager’ Ramsey.

It wasn’t uncommon under the most experienced, most showbiz manager of them all, Harry Redknapp.

It happened under Mark Hughes. It also happened under another vastly experienced manager, Neil Warnock, whose team lost 6-0 at Fulham.

Incidentally, those former Rangers managers, and others in recent years, were also reluctant to play 4-4-2, certainly if it involved having Faurlin in a two-man midfield. So what seems to be the most common criticism of Ramsey’s team selections isn’t exclusive to him, either.

So the question has to be asked of those who rage at Ramsey: what are you seeing that you haven’t seen before, even under the most seasoned and proven managers in the land? And what scrap of evidence do you therefore have that yet another change of manager would improve things?

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Rangers fans turned on Ramsey after the debacle at Fulham

Rangers were a disgrace at Fulham because of a long-standing culture that will take time to change.

And while they are inexperienced and won’t get everything right, Ramsey and Ferdinand probably represent the best, perhaps last, chance for QPR to finally make that change. But it’ll take time and won’t be easy.

There does have to be a question mark over Ramsey’s suitability for the job in the longer term. Of course there does.

Coaching kids and managing Championship footballers are very different and this difficult period will certainly be a test of his man-management skills, that’s for sure.

There is also plenty of room for doubt over whether Ramsey, given his coaching background, is capable of instilling a winning mentality. The signs are not good, but these are still early days.

It may well be that under Ramsey, who was supposed to be rebuilding after a larger exodus than has so far occurred (there’s still the January transfer window to come), QPR don’t do as well this season as they ought to with the players at his disposal.

But Ian Holloway got Rangers up by a squeak at the third attempt, with clubs with much smaller budgets having finished higher.

A couple of years after being tipped for the England job, Redknapp, with a whopping budget, rode his luck in getting Rangers up. At one stage of the season his team were playing abysmally and in danger of missing out on the play-offs.

And of course, QPR spent massively on big-name players, including genuine international stars, yet disgraced themselves in the Premier League.

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So we know that having a good squad on paper doesn’t guarantee success, in fact it can be problematic, and that Ramsey won’t be the only Rangers manager to underachieve if he falls short this season.

But his face doesn’t fit, so he has less breathing space.

It’s also worth bearing in mind that the current squad contains a number of players with fitness issues: Faurlin, Leroy Fer and Sandro to name three. It’s not as if all the big names in Ramsey’s squad can be counted on to play 40-plus games.

Someone else might well fare better. Two of Ramsey’s most recent predecessors have done so – in a short-term sense at least.

But where would Rangers be going as a club if that were to happen a third time?

The alternative way
What kind of players would join a newly promoted club with mega-rich owners but a lower-division set-up, a failing youth system and a modest – to put it mildly – training ground?

That question has surely now been answered. Not once but twice.

The alternative might mean QPR finish mid-table this season, possibly lower.

There might be some dismal results and performances, and times when Ramsey, who won’t be persuaded to change his public persona for the sake of his image among fans, looks like he hasn’t a clue what he’s doing, and his players as if they don’t want to play for him.

But Luongo and others would be a year older and a season wiser. Other players of a similar ilk might be brought in to join them, and next season Rangers might finish in the top eight, perhaps in with a shout for the play-offs.

Beyond then, they might strengthen further, with several players continuing to develop, and seriously push for promotion.

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Ferdinand had pushed for Tim Sherwood to succeed Redknapp

During that time, the club might also restore its battered reputation, finally make some meaningful progress in terms of a new training ground, an academy that produces, and so on.

In other words, Rangers might become better equipped to compete in the Premier League.

There are a few mights there. Those aren’t predictions – things could turn out nothing like that.

Rangers might fail – but they’ve been failing anyway.

They might waste time and money, underachieve with the players they have, not deliver on promises to fans, and look foolish – but they’ve been doing that anyway.

They might get a vastly experienced, highly-regarded manager with a cracking CV – but they’ve done that more than once already.

Has the time not now come to draw a line in the sand?

There’s always been an alternative. One that was of little interest to many fans amid the understandable euphoria and expectation of having super-rich owners, for whom a well run medium-sized club was of limited appeal until they ended up with a badly run small club.

The harmful actions of those owners, craving popularity, have often been a direct response to exactly the kind of strength of feeling expressed against Ramsey this week; when spending, hiring and firing. And when churning out endless empty rhetoric.

It’s why Tony Fernandes has enjoyed hero status and then, when it’s all gone wrong, been able to argue that no-one was disagreeing at the time.

That way has been disastrous.

So, what’s to be lost from at least trying the alternative way for a year or two and just seeing what happens? It’s surely worth a go.
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Fuse lit, carefully stepping back

 

Awful awful article- this guy shouldnt be a football journalist as he's missed the point by a million miles

Tones of the magic consolidation word. Assuming all other teams stand still. Luongo gets a bit better, but we lose Austin and play someone like Polter instead, lose Green and play some clown like SMithies, Lose Fer and play JET but the magic magic 'consolidation' means we go up. Just like it worked for Brentfrd after a season losing their key players or Ipswich who've been in the league about 15 ****ing years.

Or wigan!! WHo's season of consolidation was followed by relgation

If anyone wants to know what is wrong with our season just watch first half of the Forest game

This formation isn’t doomed to failure. They talk of Austin struggling (but he’s the league top scorer) or Phillips (See Wolves game)

The problem shown up in the Forest 1st half most perfectly but attributable to all season is that we need Faurlin if we are to play it and we need someone next to him who is mobile and good on the ball so only options are Luongo and Sandro.

Other problem is we didn’t sign a left winger so often play too narrow.

Ramsey cant recognise this because he is stubborn and unintelligent.

He has the worst home record of any manager in the clubs history.

He has a squad that should walk this league and he needs to learn quick or **** off

 

interesting comments. Don't agree with all but some i do.

 

His face doesn't fit what?...


Doesn't fit neatly behind his hand when he's peering out the gaps between his fingers at the awful dross his team are serving up, is that it?

 

i like Dave and exchanged tweets with him but sometimes he does talk crap.

 

Other huge issue with Ramsey is his own issue with Sandro

Because he has worked with youth footballers at proper academies who at times haven’t been given a fiar chance to develop and because ehe was a pretty ****e footballer who probably never achieved what he thought he would achieve he has a chip on his shoulder with big names.

Add in to that the validation of this chip on the shoulder when he was part of the management team that played Kane instead of 20 odd million pound Soldado.

He is also part of the management team that Sandro fell out with at Spurs. Difference is that here rather than giving Bentaleb and Ryan Mason a game ahead of him he is playing Doughty who’s about as quick as an oil tanker and strong as the Wealdstone Raider or more often he’s playing Henry… enough said!!

Sandro has been in training for a full two months, has played his first reserve game a month ago and as Ramsey acknowledged in press conferences asked when he is going to get a chance in the first team.

So while Ramsey says he cant walk straight into the team, Toszer and Angella can walk into a team that’s won 3 on the bounce and promptly don’t win any of the next four?!

Its incompetence that Ramsey wont even try and let a player who is capable of this over players like Doughty and Henry!! Let Sandro get fit or at least give him a chance because the current expirments failed long ago

 

A very good piece.

What it doesn't address is that it is possible to both consolidate and get promoted this season, as well as consolidate and get relegated, and will our Owners fund the changes that are obviously needed to improve the current squad defensively, at striker and left wide midfield. It is probable that we will reach January in a position in the table where promotion can be achieved if we strengthen, or relegation averted.

 

Could you get 4 minutes of actual playing time of Sandro with QPR?

 

I doubt it's as simple as Ramsey not liking him. Is he fit to play? Does he have an extortionate appearance bonus? Does he even want to play or does he want to bide his time until Jan?

 

What Rodney Marsh was quoted as saying in that article.....spot on.

"Final word: All of you that have been screaming for continuity & consistency over past 5 years want Ramsey sacked now! Insanity!!"

 

I don't disagree, but playing devil's advocate, it needs to be consistency with the right person. Bad consistency is worse than no consistency I suppose.

 

That's a good point actually.

 

Of course it is. I made it.

 

I thought he was being sponsored on how many times he could say "his face doesn't fit"

 

But who is really running the show???????

 

Well off to the Rangers now and will support Ramsey. If we play badly i will not boo but i expect a much better performance. If not Ramsey needs to answer questions.

 

A bit of a cliche but it is a results business and his record is poor - that's consistency for you.
I think CR should remain at the club but bring in someone above him.

 

no