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Off Topic Muslims - a fresh debate.

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  1. J๏E..

    J๏E.. The King of Hearts

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    Piss off you muslim loving twat and ask her to crisp the bacon a bit more this Wednesday or I'm not coming haha..<laugh><ok>
     
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    You'll be getting the halal bacon butty with that sort of attitude <laugh>
     
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  3. J๏E..

    J๏E.. The King of Hearts

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    Don't give a **** mate as long it tastes nice..
     
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  4. its been fun thanks :)

    its been fun thanks :) ♬♬Badum-tish! ♬♬
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    lots of 'truths' in this article-
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...-lie-about-islam/story-fni0ffxg-1227419023946
    Andrew Bolt: It’s time to end this lie about Islam
    • HERALD SUN
    • JUNE 29, 2015 12:00AM

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    People shout slogans during a protest against terrorism in Sousse, Tunisia. Picture: AP

    THE Prime Minister is wrong. I’m sure Tony Abbott knows it, too, but does not dare publicly tell the truth about Islamic terrorism.

    Abbott insists Islam had nothing to do with last week’s shooting of tourists in Tunisia, bombing of Shia worshippers in Kuwait and beheading of a man in France.

    “What’s being done by Daish (the Islamic State) has nothing to do with God, it has nothing to do with religion,” he claimed on Saturday.

    Is he kidding us?

    The Islamic State, which claims credit for the two worst attacks and is linked to the beheading, has nothing to do with Islam?

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    For heaven’s sake, we can all read. “Islam” is in the very title of this terrorist outfit.

    DOZENS KILLED IN TUNISIA HOTEL MASSACRE

    TOP SUSPECT IN FRANCE ATTACK TOOK ‘BEHEADING SELFIE’

    And if religion had nothing to do with the attacks, why has Tunisia’s president just ordered 80 of the country’s mosques to be closed in response?

    Let’s end this polite lie, which blinds us to the steps we must take to defend ourselves.

    Sure, Western leaders should not provoke or demonise the many Muslims now living among us.

    That’s why French President Francois Hollande claimed even the Charlie Hebdo killers “have nothing to do with the Muslim religion”, even though they’d bragged on tape they had “avenged the Prophet” by killing 12 people at the magazine that mocked Mohammad.

    Hollande has five million French Muslims to placate, after all.

    But Islam is at the heart of the Islamic State, and dozens of other Islamic terrorist groups.

    Take the statement the Islamic State issued on Twitter to justify this slaughter of 38 people at the Tunisian resort town of Sousse.

    Why were the tourists – mostly British , Belgian and German – killed?

    Because they were in “dens (of) fornication, vice and apostasy in the city of Sousse” and the “subjects of states that make up the crusader alliance fighting the state of the caliphate”.

    They were enemies of Islam, committing sins against Islam, says the Islamic State.

    And this has nothing to do with Islam?





    For heaven’s sake, we can all read. “Islam” is in the very title of this terrorist outfit.


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    Islamic State has everything to do with religion, says Andrew Bolt.



    Rubbish. In fact, the Islamic State regularly quotes the Koran and sacred Surah to justify its every barbarity.

    Its infamous statement last year ordering Muslims around the world to kill unbelievers quoted holy scripture at least 25 times in support.

    Those quotations included this, from the Koran: “Kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush.”

    And this, also from the Koran, justifying the Islamic State’s liking for decapitation: “He the Exalted said: ‘So when you meet those who disbelieve (in battle), strike (their) necks’.”

    The Research and Fatwa Department of the Islamic State even produced a pamphlet last year quoting the Koran to let its soldiers enslave and rape hundreds of Yazidi women.

    “It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with the female captive,” it declared.

    “Allah the almighty said: ‘(Successful are the believers) who guard their chastity, except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess.”

    Scripture is similarly quoted by most of the world’s terrorist groups, which share the Koranic view that Mohammed divided the world into two parts — Dar al Islam, where Islamic law rules, and Dar al Harb, the land of war, where Muslims live at best only in a state of truce.

    Such teachings seem so likely to license violence that it can’t be a coincidence that 19 of the 20 terrorist groups proscribed by the Australian Government are explicitly Muslim.

    It can’t be a coincidence that all 20 men convicted of terrorism here are Muslim, too.

    Nor can it be a coincidence that Muslims are involved in most of the world’s terrorist conflicts, including in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, Kuwait, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Britain, France, Denmark, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, Indonesia, China and the United States.

    Yes, the vast majority of Muslims hate the horrors we now see. We must never forget that and make enemies of moderates.

    Muslims are also the main victims – even if Muslim terrorists usually kill other Muslims for not being Muslim enough.

    But does that really prove the terrorists aren’t truly Muslim? That, as US President Barack Obama claims, they merely “distorted” a “great religion”? How badly we’ve wanted that to be true.

    Who wants to offend our Muslim friends? Who wants to think Western countries have imported a conflict that will dog us for generations? And who wants to be sued or threatened?

    So we’ve waited in hope — and growing despair — for those many Muslim moderates to revolt against the extremists that have made their faith seem hateful.

    Think: if Christian terrorists were beheading, shooting, crucifying, raping and bombing thousands of people around the planet, wouldn’t we expect huge marches of Christians in our streets, crying “not in our name”?

    But we’ve had none from Muslims. If there’s a protest, it’s almost always against the Government for defending us or allegedly picking on Muslims. Why this near silence?

    That silence is what drove the frustrated Prime Minister to say: “I’ve often heard Western leaders describe Islam as a ‘religion of peace’. I wish more Muslim leaders would say that more often, and mean it.”

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    The beach near the Imperial Marhaba Hotel, where 38 people were killed in a terror attack.

    And it goaded Egypt’s President, Abdel Fatah al-Sisi, to tell the imams at Egypt’s famous al Azhar university in January to create a “religious revolution” to rescue Islam from centuries of “false” thinking that had made Muslims “a source of anxiety, danger, killing and destruction for the rest of the world”.

    “Is it possible that 1.6 billion people (Muslims) should want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants — that is 7 billion — so that they themselves may live?” Sisi stormed.

    “Impossible!”

    Clive Kessler, emeritus professor of sociology and anthropology at the University of NSW, has studied Islam for 50 years and is gloomy.

    He says most mainstream Muslims don’t speak out because they actually “share a common mindset and set of attitudes” — that Islam must triumph — even if they don’t accept the radicals’ means.

    Anooshe Mushtaq, a Canberra-based Muslim adviser on Islamic radicalisation says we must face the truth — groups like the Islamic State have a lot to do with Islam.

    “The propaganda is laden with religious symbolism and hidden meanings, drawing on teachings from the Koran and cultural traditions dating back a thousand years,” she wrote in The Australian.

    Yes, it’s a voice of Islam speaking. Deal with it, or we’re lost.
     
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    Hope Disco is still around? He owes me a few beers! :smiley-finger007:
     
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    Another journalistic attempt at stating the bleeding obvious <doh>
     
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    Is it not as straight forward as the IRA is to Catholics so these ISIS is to Islam?
     
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  8. Billy Death

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    Depends where you come from mate.
     
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    Just typical of the stupid ****ers that sit in an office writing their ideals. The sad thing is, you see 70/80 year olds in supermarket queues buying the papers. Thats the way they remember the news delivered to them.. Sad when you think some poncy twat in London with his head on ££ is writing his pathetic tripe and our older generation believe it because thats their history..
     
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    When are Islamist pacifists or moderates or those who sickened by ISIL's antics going to comdemn them as killers rather than Jihadist martyrs?
     
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    They do it all the time mate, it just doesn't get reported, coz it's not dramatic head-lining news.

    At the same time, I don't recall all those Popes during the Troubles excommunicating the IRA. It would be hard to, to be fair, with all those priests actively supporting them.

    Come to think of it, I don't remember the ArchBishop of Canterbury condemning the UDA or the Shankill Butchers either. And they had plenty opportunities to do so.

    So let's not get ****ing hypocritical or pious about their community leaders not condemning them. Christian leaders are just as ****ing bad!

    Jesus, it's so easy to think we're so ****ing perfect.
     
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    Oh stop waffling you and get the unsmoked back bacon in for Wednesday morning. Seriously, good post mate and oh so true..<ok>

    Bedtime now..<ok>
     
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    It does seem strange the way the west are pussy footing around. It's almost like they are saying '**** it, let them do what they want'.

    Then bleat like ****, when something happens on their doorstep.
     
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    Seems like they were looking for an excuse and Saddam gave them two (Chemical Ali and Kuwait). They went in, ostensibly to help (nothing to do with oil, WMD was the cry), and when they left the warring tribes moved in and it`s been mayhem ever since.

    They learned nothing from that blunder and did it again with Gaddaffi.

    Sheer madness.
     
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    Hindsight is a wonderful thing mate, one thing is for sure, if Saddam had still been in charge, this ISIS mod, would not have dared to rear their heads.. He would have ****ed them over, rather quickly.
     
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    I think if he`d left Kuwait alone he probably would be.

    No doubt in my mind he would have dealt with it brutally but effectively. The way they understand.

    Sorry mate, I think my edit did you no favours. Pressed the button to post before I was finished. Daft owld sod. <doh><laugh>
     
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  20. Commachio

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    Thats the only solution.
     
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