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  1. Sir Cheshire Ben

    Sir Cheshire Ben Well-Known Member

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    This was discussed last week.

    The Saudi FA have apologised.
     
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  2. DanKelly

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    Has nothing to do with culture. They're just a bunch of scummy low life ****s
     
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  3. Kempton

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    Do I look like I give a ****?
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  4. City Man

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    Of course it ****ing does.
     
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  5. balkan tiger

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    Why would / should they apologise if it's not part of their culture?
    They could have explained that they wouldn't be doing it beforehand and given the reasons why.
    As it is they ****ed up, rightly got criticised and are now backtracking.

    Question, have they ever taken part in a minutes silence in the past?
     
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  6. Building 7

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    And Buck Palace flew the Flag at half mast in respect for King Abdullah when he died.
     
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  7. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Shocking stuff


    Damning report reveals how Manchester Arena suicide bomber easily dodged security to kill 22
    1hr ago
    In one of his main recommendations, Sir John gave his backing to a law to force venues with over 100 guests to seek security advice and to implement 'reasonable' measures.

    He proposed an enforcement process similar to the current health and safety laws and said government would have to pay for more officers to carry it out.

    The government has already launched a four-month consultation which is due to end on July 2.

    The law, known as a 'Protect Duty' had been dubbed Martyn's Law, after Martyn Hett, one of the victims of the attack.

    The chairman said progress on the law, which was deemed 'unlikely' in a parliamentary report three years ago, was a 'testament to the efforts of Figen Murray', Martyn's mother.

    'After this report we are one step closer to ensuring that a difference can be made,' said Ms Murray. 'Now the recommendations have to be acted upon by the government, so that all venues have security and that no other families have to go through what we have.'

    On the night of the attack, Manchester-born Abedi, of Libyan descent, walked across the City Room foyer towards an exit door and detonated his shrapnel-laden device, packed into his bulging rucksack, at 10.31pm just as thousands, including many children, left the concert.

    Sir John said: 'No-one knows what Salman Abedi would have done had he been confronted before 10.31pm. We know that only one of the 22 killed entered the City Room before 10.14pm. Eleven of those who were killed came from the Arena concourse doors into the City Room after 10.30pm.'

    Sir John said: 'The security arrangements for the Manchester Arena should have prevented or minimised the devastating impact of the attack. They failed to do so. There were a number of opportunities which were missed leading to this failure.

    'Salman Abedi should have been identified on 22nd May 2017 as a threat by those responsible for the security of the Arena and a disruptive intervention undertaken. Had that occurred, I consider it likely that Salman Abedi would still have detonated his device, but the loss of life and injury is highly likely to have been less.'

    He said Arena operator SMG, its security provider Showsec and British Transport Police, who patrolled the area adjoining Manchester Victoria rail station, were 'principally responsible' for the missed opportunities.

    Paul Hett, the father of Martyn Hett, 29, who died in the arena bombing, said: 'Our wonderful son Martin lost his life in the Manchester Arena attack. Since then our lives have been torn apart and we were heartbroken to find that Martin had just been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    'We entrusted the lives of our loved ones to organisations who we believed had a duty of care to protect them. This inquiry has rightly found that we were failed by them on every level.

    'This atrocity should and could have been prevented, and 22 people would not have lost their lives.'

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    Abedi at Victoria Station making his way to the Manchester Arena, on May 22, 2017, where he detonated his bomb
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    Abedi sitting in the foyer at Manchester Arena, where police officers should have been on patrol and confronted him
    Salman Abedi adjusts homemade bomb wiring in Manchester Arena lift


    A timeline of terror: How police and security blundering allowed bomber to strike
    6pm

    At 6pm the doors to the Manchester Arena were opened and 14,200 people flooded into the stadium.

    Some of those arriving had been given the tickets to watch Ariana Grande as a Christmas or birthday present.

    8.30pm

    Terrorist Abedi is caught on CCTV arriving at the neighbouring Victoria Metrolink Station.

    He has his packed rucksack on his shoulders and heads to the public toilets, where he remains for ten minutes.

    8.49pm

    British Transport Police PCSO's conduct a security sweep moments after Abedi left the toilets.

    They missed him by 59 seconds.

    8.51pm

    The killer is then spotted in the City Room - the foyer of the Manchester Arena. He had taken a lift from the toilets to the footbridge and into the concourse.

    He remained here for 19 minutes and was unseen. Then he moved to the Metrolink platform and sat down for 16 minutes.

    9.36pm

    A BTP officer and PCSO returned to the area after spending two hours on a break getting kebabs.

    By mere minutes, they missed the terrorist walking from the station to the City Room.

    9.29pm

    The terrorist arrived in the City Room and stayed until people began filing out.

    10.15pm

    A member of the public approaches security about Abedi. The security guard then goes to his colleague who tries to radio it in, but they said the line was busy.

    10.31pm

    The terrorist detonated his device, killing the 22 innocents standing in the foyer. Another 264 were injured.

    10.33pm

    Greater Manchester Police are alerted to the bomb blast, and within six minutes it is declared a major incident.

    10.42pm

    The first paramedic arrived at Victoria station. Two more follow but they are the only ones to enter the arena over the whole evening.

    Armed police also arrive and close the road. There are 12 ambulances by 10.49pm.

    12.37am

    Three fire crews get there at 12.37am. They had earlier been told to wait three miles away at Philips Park Fire Station.

    2.46am

    By this time everyone injured had been removed from the scene.

    BTP officers were supposed to be present in the foyer at the end of the concert, but they took a two-hour meal break on the night of attack and were patrolling the nearby station when the bomb went off.

    Two officers drove five miles to get a kebab during a two-hour meal break on the night of attack while two others took a 90-minute meal break.

    He added: 'Across these organisations, there were also failings by individuals who played a part in causing the opportunities to be missed.'

    The inquiry heard Abedi made three reconnaissance trips to the venue, adjoining Manchester Victoria railway station, before his fateful last journey and noticed a CCTV blind spot on the raised mezzanine level of the City Room.

    Abedi, dressed in black, crouched down upstairs for nearly an hour, occasionally praying, before he walked down to the foyer.

    A concerned Christopher Wild, waiting with his partner to pick up her daughter, earlier approached Abedi upstairs and said he asked him what was in his rucksack but he did not reply. When further pressed, Abedi told him he was 'waiting for someone' and asked for the time.

    Mr Wild thought 'nervous' Abedi looked out of place and raised his concerns at about 10.15pm with Showsec steward Mohammed Agha, who was guarding an exit door, but told the inquiry he felt 'fobbed off'.

    It was another eight minutes before Mr Agha relayed the concerns to colleague Kyle Lawler as the former had no radio to the security control room and did not believe he could leave his post, the inquiry heard.

    Mr Lawler told the inquiry that he was worried that if he did approach Abedi he might be branded a racist.

    Showsec is one of the largest stewarding and security companies in the country and provides staff for venues including Manchester City's ground and Twickenham stadium, the inquiry was told.

    In his report, Sir John said; 'I am satisfied that there were a number of missed opportunities to alter the course of what happened that night. More should have been done.

    'The most striking missed opportunity, and the one that is likely to have made a significant difference, is the attempt by Christopher Wild to bring his concerns about Salman Abedi, whom he had already challenged, to the attention of Mohammed Agha.

    'Christopher Wild's behaviour was very responsible. He stated that he formed the view that Salman Abedi might 'let a bomb off'. That was sadly all too prescient and makes all the more distressing the fact that no effective steps were taken as a result of the efforts made by Christopher Wild.'

    Hearings at the public inquiry into the circumstances leading up to and surrounding the attack have been ongoing in the city since September last year.

    Retired High Court judge Sir John is issuing his findings on a rolling basis, split into three volumes.

    A further report will follow on the emergency response and the experience of each of those who died, and finally an analysis of whether the atrocity committed by Abedi, could have been prevented.

    Following the publication of today's report, June Tron, mother of Philip Tron, 32, from Gateshead, who was killed in the attack, said: 'Every life taken in this horrendous attack has destroyed the lives of those close to them and like the many other families affected we don't want anyone else to go through what we have following the loss of Philip.

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    Figen Murray, the mother of Martyn Hett, speaks to the media outside Manchester Magistrates Court this afternoon
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    Following the publication of today's report, June Tron, mother of Philip Tron, 32, from Gateshead, who was killed in the attack, gave a statement to the media
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    She said: 'Every life taken in this horrendous attack has destroyed the lives of those close to them and like the many other families affected we don't want anyone else to go through what we have following the loss of Philip'
    Manchester Arena inquiry: 'Serious shortcomings' by Showsec stewards


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    Undated handout file photos issued by Greater Manchester Police of the 22 victims of the terror attack during the Ariana Grande concert at the Manchester Arena in May 2017. (top row left to right) Off-duty police officer Elaine McIver, 43, Saffie Roussos, 8, Sorrell Leczkowski, 14, Eilidh MacLeod, 14, (second row left to right) Nell Jones, 14, Olivia Campbell-Hardy, 15, Megan Hurley, 15, Georgina Callander, 18, (third row left to right), Chloe Rutherford,17, Liam Curry, 19, Courtney Boyle, 19, and Philip Tron, 32, (fourth row left to right) John Atkinson, 26, Martyn Hett, 29, Kelly Brewster, 32, Angelika Klis, 39, (fifth row left to right) Marcin Klis, 42, Michelle Kiss, 45, Alison Howe, 45, and Lisa Lees, 43 (fifth row left to right) Wendy Fawell, 50 and Jane Tweddle, 51
    Mother of Manchester attack victim: 'All venues need basic security'


    'It has been extremely hard to listen to evidence which has highlighted how our Government has failed to take extra steps to ensure security is as it should be at venues like this across the country, and how organisations who are supposedly experts in running such venues and events can make so many basic mistakes relating to safety and security.

    'We hope that, as a result of this inquiry, many lessons are learned and that laws are introduced and changes made quickly to ensure people can go to a concert or a big public event in confidence that they have the best possible protection.'

    Neil Hudgell, of Hudgells Solicitors, who represents the bereaved families of Philip Tron and Sorrell Leczkowski, said: 'This inquiry has strongly demonstrated that there was an inexcusable catalogue of failings at every level which made the venue an attractive target to a terrorist attack, failed to deter or prevent the outrage, and as a result contributed to the loss of life and injury.

    'Significantly, at the time, despite the country's national threat level for a terrorist attack being classed as severe, the Government did not have laws in place to enforce venues such as the Manchester Arena and other concert venues to take appropriate counter-terrorism measures in such an environment.

    John Cooper QC, who represents a number of bereaved families, said: 'It is a damning report about the level of security at the arena and not just a matter of turning on 16 and 17-year-olds who were doing their job.

    'There were poor risk assessments, areas not being patrolled and a matter for the British Transport Police who were criticised for their attention to detail. These are serious and damning observations being made against all those who were responsible for keeping young people safe.'
     
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  8. Tickton Tiger.

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    My eldest grandaughter was at this concert with some friends all from Hull. She passed a desk close to where this bastard was stood, and said she saw him when leaving the concert. If she hadn't told one of her friends not to join the queue at the desk attempting to buy a souvenir programme they would have all been blown to pieces. She/they wanted a quick exit to get a taxi back in to the city centre where their hotel was. As it happened the explosion threw those plans into a turmoil and instead they all ran back to the hotel not knowing the full extent of the bomb blast but all terrified and in shock. They had just left the foyer when the bomb went off. They also thought other terrorists were in the area around every corner waiting for them. The sheer number and sounds of the police cars and ambulance sirens racing about added to that fear. We didn't know she was safe until late the following morning as she had lost her mobile in the confusion.
     
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  9. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    That must have been horrendous for you all, and reading this summary of the report is really shocking reading. The BTP going off for long meal breaks instead of doing their job is something really quite unbelievable. Thank God your family and her friends were okay, but for the families of those killed this report must make them totally let down.
     
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  10. Ernie Shackleton

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    All terrorist attacks are horrendous but this one was particularly heinous as it specifically targeted young, innocent children.

    To read that a whole catalogue of things left undone could have prevented it is heartbreaking.


    RIP to all victims.

    And wishing that all the people caught up in the atrocity, like Urika's granddaughter are able to cope with the horrors and the memories.
     
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  11. Tickton Tiger.

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    It did effect her. We didn't realise how close she and her friends had been to this bomb at first and it really effected her for weeks afterwards because she knew they had been literally seconds from being blown to pieces. She went to an open air concert at Scarbourgh later on in the year and she suffered a panic attack and had to leave mid performance. Yeah, it must have been an awful experience for them all. She also told us later that no-one knew at the time the reason for this bomb and the police actually suggested those responsible could be targeting young women so they had to lock themselves in their hotel rooms whilst listening to all the chaos and sirens ( and the area was filled with smoke she said) outside. It must have been horrendous. I can still remember the feeling when we rang her mobile and got nothing. It just shows how fragile life is and who'd have thought a Ariana Grande concert in Manchester would be a target for a suicide bomber and end so tragically ?
     
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    Utterly shocking
     
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  13. Kempton

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    I have no kids of my own, but I do have three nieces a great niece and nephew. My eldest niece was in close proximity of 7/11 and just the thought of that made me physically sick. The relief of on finding she was OK made me cry like I've never cried before.

    I can't even imagine what you went through after Manchester.
     
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  14. Tickton Tiger.

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    Relief matey. Enjoy every second of every day.
     
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  15. Ric Glasgow

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    Harrowing event for you and yours:emoticon-0101-sadsm
    A friend of my daughters was at the concert(My daughter had a ticket but couldn't go),ushered out through the aftermath of the carnage and has had to have counselling since....****ing animal did this with the full knowledge the venue was packed out with kids.

    Rot in hell you evil bastard.
     
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