QPR lads at old bailey today

Yes I am sure, thanks.

 

No offence meant at all, but I can't feel sorry for them. IMO they got what they deserved. You obviously don't feel the same and you have your opinion and a right to that opinion.

 

Thanks Sheff. It would be very boring if we all had the same opinions, eh. Whether I agree or disagree with yours, I'll happily debate them with you.
If debate didn't work I'd just resort to violence (That was a joke, bruv )

I just think we form our opinions, right or wrong in the others eyes, through our own life experiences.....and that's why I feel sorry for the individuals concerned.

 

Having said what I have, I ought to add that I used to love a dust up in my younger days, although never at football and always in a fair fight (apart from when a geezer did me over the nut from behind with a 4x2 outside Bogarts - the bastard).

 

So are you saying fighting at football is worse than fighting, pissed on a Friday night ?
If caught should you of gone to prison for 6 years, Sheff ?
It's still violence and illegal whichever way you look at it.

 

Not at all Staines. I was a lot younger than those convicted today and as I said, it was a fair fight, man to man (Bogarts incident excepted). Additionally, had I been convicted I wouldn't have wanted anyone to feel sorry for me. As you said, 'If you can't do the time, don't do the crime'.

 

With respect mate, what do you call a fair fight ? Did you say before it started 'no weapons' ? Did you size up each others weights to see if anyone had a weight advantage ?
Did you discuss the rules beforehand that if someone goes down, then it's finished ?
You're being very naive mate, if you think there's any such thing as a 'fair fight' on the pavement.

 

What I SAW at that age as a fair fight was two geezers settling their differences. There was no unprovoked attack. If you had a problem with someone or they you, you sorted it. Size did not matter. Anyway, I am off to the pub for a quiet few pints.

 

They deserve the ultimate banishment. Lifelong season tickets to OOC should do it.

 

Have a good one fella, and don't get into any 'fair fights'

 

Personally I abhor violence in all of its forms, though will admit that in some cases it's a necessary resort. Seems to me that these 'Friday night fights', or whatever you want to call them, are mostly started over something fairly trivial that escalates, fuelled by alcohol and Neanderthal ignorance. All rather pathetic and completely unnecessary.

The fact that one person would want to injure another on account of the football team he supports defies any rational thought. Tribalism? ****ism, more like.

 

Throw a bottle on a Friday night, you might end up with a fine, do it at a political demonstration you might get a suspended sentence, do it around a football match and get six years.

Make of that what you will, but it's pretty much the reason these incidents are much rarer nowadays.

 

I won't be shedding any tears over these idiots. I feel sorry for them. To say they are stupid is an understatement. I wonder how many of them would be so brave if they were stood on the front line in Aleppo?

 

I feel sorry for them cos they're going to spend Christmas away from their mummy's.

 

Feel sorry for mummy, not them.

 

I'm sure they will get lots of prezzys from their fellow inmates (no soap on a string tho')

 

Mugshots of the "Lads"


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-38270071

 

as taines has said everybody has an opinion,my opinion is that two people have admited or not admited taking part in the violence,so why were the other people jailedlpresumabley because they were singing abusive songs
so im icertainly not happy that these qpr fans who sang abusive songs got very excessive sentances,and a burgular gets a 50 pound fine,the sentance must fit the crime
if you kill a child for sexual gratifycation,you must get a natural life sentence but also have both legs amputated
but for singing silly abusive songs how can you put people in prison its ridiculous,but thats just my onion

 

A horde of fans have been handed prison sentences and banned from football after a violent clash between Arsenal and West Ham supporters at a north London pub.

The rival supporters confronted each other outside the White Swan in Upper Street, Islington, after the Hammers won 2-0 last August.

Tables, chairs and bottles were hurled during the melee before police arrived to break-up the carnage.

Terrified families with children were left trapped inside the pub as the violence raged.

Matthew Fallon told the Standard: “My nan, auntie and her kids were in the back of the Wetherspoon when fans ran in flipping tables around.

“The kids were scared with them being eight and five because they have never experienced anything like that before.”

A group of men were later charged with violent disorder after being identified through CCTV footage.

James Bevan, 40, of Grantham Road, Manor Park, Danny Butler, 38 , of Colyton Way, Edmonton, 43-year-old Mark Gittins, of Basildon, Essex, and Tony Hackett, 57, from Nottingham were all convicted.

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Sentenced: (Clockwise from top left) West Ham fans Danny Butler, James Bevan, Christopher Love, Tony Hackett, Paul Ogden (Metropolitan Police)
West Ham fans Christopher Love, 28, of Benfleet, Essex, and Paul Ogden, 36, of Church Island, Staines, had previously admitted violent disorder .

On January 13 at Blackfriars Crown Court, they were each given football banning orders ranging from five to eight years and prison sentences totalling nine-and-a-half years.

Arsenal fans Charlie Barker, 22, of Redhill Street, King's Cross, Jack Bulley, 23 of Wanstead Park Road, Ilford, and 43-year-old Lee Bowering, of Percy Road, Romford, all pleaded guilty.

They were sentenced on January 11 to six months, suspended for 18 months, and ordered to pay £500 costs.

Speaking afterwards, Detective Chief Inspector John Oldham, from the Met’s Public Order Crime team, said: "This group of men were involved in serious fighting and violent disorder outside a pub; behaviour that, quite simply, is totally and utterly unacceptable.

"Through our investigations, we have identified a large number of those responsible and they are now facing the very serious consequences of their actions.

"Those involved in the worst of the disorder are now facing lengthy custodial sentences and this should serve as a warning to other fans that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated."

 

well nothing will persuade me that msassive prison sentences are fair,although if someonew threw a glass which subsequetly blinded me,i would probabley feel differant,or i would definately feel differantly