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QPR REDUCE LOSSES

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by QPR Oslo, Mar 2, 2015.

  1. loomo

    loomo Active Member

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    I would be interested to know the nature of how these loans have occurred. Sometimes instead investing their money in the club directors will loan the money in order to protect themselves as a creditor. If this is the case then I see nothing dodgy about the write off. It's the shareholders that have basically taken away their own safety net
     
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  2. Tramore Ranger

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    I think the bigwigs at the Football League might just take a different view........agree that they have done nothing illegal but if it's a mechanism to avoid FFP should we be relegated this season, then Tone and Co can expect to be asked some awkward questions.
     
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  3. Quality Passing Rules

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    I think Tony is a far better businessman than anyone at the FL. Hopefully he can out manuver them. Hopefully!!!!!
     
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  4. Uber_Hoop

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    Always.
     
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  5. Tramore Ranger

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    Not sure of its relevance in this situation........The FL made up the rules on FFP and I assume that somewhere in the small print they inserted something about the manipulation of losses to comply with the guidelines to counter this type of Exceptional Item transaction. Time will tell....

    Best way is to avoid relegation and then this doesn't apply.....
     
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  6. Quality Passing Rules

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    That would be the best way to counter it for sure. I still think we might have a chance that the court of abitration would come down on our ide as they had to change it the season after. Here's hoping anyway!!!
     
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  7. SingRs

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    Awkward questions are fine with audited accounts which comply with accounting rules :)
     
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  8. Tramore Ranger

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    Oh yes....just like who was it PWC or Deloittes who Audited RBS...<whistle>
     
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  9. SingRs

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    Lol. Totally different situation certainly NOT involving shareholders voluntarily writing off debt owed to them. :)
     
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  10. Uber_Hoop

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    Yes, you're right, Loomo. It's quite common for investors to invest in a mixture of debt and equity, but there are complex rules around what is called 'thin capitalisation', i.e. having too high a debt:equity ratio. In many cases HMRC will disqualify for tax purposes most (if not all) of the club's interest expense as a consequence. There are other measures they can take too, particularly if they belief the interest rate is not akin to arm's length.

    From the investor's perspective it is useful to invest in this way, as it can be a good way of recovering some of your capital early, a good way of receiving a priority pseudo-dividend ahead of ordinary shareholders, and a good way of realising tax losses should the debt get written off (as appears to be the cae in this instance).

    By Christ this stuff is boring...sorry.
     
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  11. Tramore Ranger

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    The football is boring tonight.........roll on tomorrow....
     
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  12. Shawswood

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    My understanding was that the fine applies whether we are relegated or not, am I wrong?
     
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  13. Uber_Hoop

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    I think you're right, GC, but the FL can't enforce it until we want to play with their ball.
     
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  14. TWGWTDT

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    I stand with my view that this is crazy and no QPR fan should buy it
    Tony Crooks you are a daft muppet
     
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