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The bottom 6 and their remaining games .........

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  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    As it's approaching 'that time' of year again I thought I'd post these if anyone needs a quick way to check.

    I'd written off Hull, as relegation candidates, but their fixtures look very difficult.

    They have 4 of the top 5 plus Burnley in their remaining home games and some bad ones away.

    Interestingly, there are less than half the amount of '6 pointers' as at this stage last season, from memory.
    That means that the points tally needed to stay up may be quite low.
    I've highlighted the 'relegation dogfights'.

    HULL

    Chelsea (Home) - March 22
    Swansea (Away) - April 4
    Southampton (Away) - April 11
    Liverpool (Home) - April 18
    Crystal Palace (Away) - April 25
    Arsenal (Home) - May 2
    Burnley (Home) - May 9
    Tottenham (Away) - May 16
    Man United (Home) - May 24

    ASTON VILLA
    Swansea (Home) - March 21
    Man United (Away) - April 4
    QPR (Home) - April 7
    Tottenham (Away) - April 11
    Man City (Away) - April 25
    Everton (Home) - May 2
    West Ham (Home) - May 9
    Southampton (Away) - May 16
    Burnley (Home) - May 24

    SUNDERLAND
    West Ham (Away) - March 21
    Newcastle (Home) - April 5
    Crystal Palace (Home) - April 11
    Stoke (Away) - April 25
    Southampton (Home) - May 2
    Everton (Away) - May 9
    Leicester (Home) - May 16
    Arsenal (Away) - May 20
    Chelsea (Away) - May 24

    BURNLEY
    Southampton (Away) - March 21
    Tottenham (Home) - April 5
    Arsenal (Home) - April 11
    Everton (Away) - April 18
    Leicester (Home) - April 25
    West Ham (Away) - May 2
    Hull (Away) - May 9
    Stoke (Home) - May 16
    Aston Villa (Away) - May 24

    QPR
    Everton (Home) - March 22
    West Brom (Away) - April 4
    Villa (Away) - April 7
    Chelsea (Home) - April 12
    West Ham (Home) - April 25
    Liverpool (Away) - May 2
    Man City (Away) - May 9
    Newcastle (Home) - May 16
    Leicester (Away) - May 24

    LEICESTER
    Tottenham (Away) - March 21
    West Ham (Home) - April 4
    West Brom (Away) - April 11
    Swansea (Home) - April 18
    Burnley (Away) - April 25
    Chelsea (Home) - April 29
    Newcastle (Home) - May 2
    Southampton (Home) - May 9
    Sunderland (Away) - May 16
    QPR (Home) - May 24
     
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  2. Bizarreknives

    Bizarreknives Well-Known Member
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    5 of our remaining games are winnable,15 points will keep us up, it now all rides on our new manager getting the players to play.
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I reckon we can stay up with 37 points meaning we need 4 wins or 3 and a couple of draws.

    The home games are obviously key and they're not as bad as they could be.
    The derby would've been a nightmare under Poyet, after Villa, but now it will be a totally different affair.

    BTW, isn't AJ's bail hearing tomorrow ......... the new manager will be asking about everyone on the books.

    I reckon we might see Mannone & Watmore in for West Ham.
     
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  4. flandersmackem

    flandersmackem Well-Known Member

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    anyone done a calculation on how many points looks like being safe this year?
     
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  5. newbottle bank

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    I think it could be as low as 33.
     
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  6. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    It'll certainly be low, everyone in the bottom 6 have difficult games.

    Some people think Villa are out of trouble but these are their next 4 games,

    ASTON VILLA
    Swansea (Home) - March 21
    Man United (Away) - April 4
    Tottenham (Away) - April 11
    Man City (Away) - April 25

    They have Wembley, at least once, among all of their remaining games.
     
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  7. BackO'TheNet

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    I want an immediate impact, I want to see us batter West Ham with attack.....Don't tell me it's too soon for Watmore anymore, he will scare the **** out of their defence, and boy do we need that mind-set !!!!
     
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  8. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    There's 6 teams in there all with difficult fixtures, but like Burnley have shown last weekend, nothing is predictable in this league.

    One win is all it takes to turn a club around.

    Leicester, QPR and Sunderland look at the minute completely incapable of finding that one win. The obvious change in those three clubs is that you lot have now got a new manager and with that could come an upturn in fortunes.

    Worth remembering that the players may have been onside with Poyet, much like the Newcastle players were with Pardew when they were all calling for his head back end of last year, there's no guarantees that managers coming in will make positive changes (think I even read Smug debating the same thing the other day reference Sherwood).

    His priority is not getting beat by West Ham, I think if he goes to beat them, they're a side that could turn you over easily. They're a strong, powerful side with a couple of very good strikers who could punish you.

    In my opinion only, which really means nowt in the grand scheme of things, I'd be looking to go to West Ham and 'stop the rot' rather than 'all out attack'.

    Edit: I do think shuffling Poyet out will have a positive affect on your fans though, which could make a huge difference.
     
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  9. Blunham Mackem

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    I was suggesting 32 a few weeks ago, but Burnley went and beat City so maybe 34-35 now.
     
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  10. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Hull's fixtures are horrible.

    Swansea are still playing good stuff, Southampton, Spurs, Liverpool, United, Arsenal all going for top 4, Chelsea will wipe the floor with them, Palace are doing great as well. The only game that looks like a banker is Burnley and they've just beat City.

    3/1 FFS, I'd hoped for 5's I'm not chucking money at 3's.
     
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    We need 2 wins and 2 draws to stay up
     
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  12. newbottle bank

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    I think that's about right..............I did this exercise 2 weeks ago and we came out on 33, with burnley, QPR & edgy nigel pearsons team all coming out on 29.
    Since then burnley have skewed it a bit by beating city, but that just proves that there will be the odd shock along the way and I hope we'll also pull off a shock or two
     
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  13. Yorkie

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    Leicester, QPR and Hull to go down - Oh how I wish I hadn't made that prediction - I'm useless at them!
     
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  14. Hank Scorpio

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    Think you'll be safe. You've got a decent run. Win the Tyne Wear Derby and you'll have the confidence to push on.

    I'd take 17th. At minute, we're dropping much needed points. Think we missed a trick not scoring a second against you, then we missed two great chances against a poor Leicester side, at the weekend, which could've made our survival so much easier.

    Think Leicester, QPR & Burnley will go down.
     
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  15. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United
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    This!!! Please Mr Eggnog, just do it!
     
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  16. Nads

    Nads Well-Known Member

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    This is the simplest way of looking at it I think we can get 3 wins 2 draws and just do enough.

    Leicester, Burnley & QPR I expect to drop, QPR bad management has cost them time and time again, buying players that added nothing to the overall picture/

    Leicester & Burnley, 2 decent sides I feel just lacking something, Burnley try and win games and I like that, if anyone is sending us or Hull down it's them, Villa for me were safe the second they appointed Sherwood.
     
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  17. crumble bungle

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    I think we might scrape 2 wins, palace and Leicester and draw v the mags and hopefully the bubble blowers.
    That gives us 8 points which I think might be enough to go past Hull.
    If we get any more points its a bonus but i'm just keeping my fingers crossed we can get those 2 wins and 2 draws.
    Considering how bad we have been of late that is still a big ask.
    Up to Dick now to turn it round.
     
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  18. monty987

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    I see JULIO ! (legend) was on sky sports earlier, and he plays for a pub team, so get him signed on a short contract so he could get a game at WHU on Saturday then, but he will be dropping down a level !. Joking apart Hull look in the **** with their fixtures left, and the Hull vs Burnley game is THE crunch match, or Sunderland vs Leicester could be later. Possible wins WHU, Newcastle, and Leicester draws Palace, Stoke maybe Everton with their Europa league commitment. Villa will most likely finish 8th and win the f a cup jammy gets, and be talking about winning the premier league next season !
     
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  19. ADR66

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    its up to the players to pull there finger out and keep us up, Advocaat can only give them positive tactics if they don't perform it wont mean a thing, I think Liverpool will win the cup.
     
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    It's like watching someone have a stroke...
     
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