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The EU debate - Part III

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  1. Bwood_Ranger

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    Would you rather both free movement and access or neither?
     
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    petersaxton Well-Known Member

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    I'd rather have no freedom of movement and then negotiate on access to single market. If there's no access to the single market and there will be tariff barriers then the government will receive a lot of money in tariffs. What's not to like?
     
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    I ****ing well hope not.
    No access to the single market would be disastrous.
    You'd rather the price of everything goes up threefold, aslong as you dont have a polish guy living down the road?
     
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    Could you give my straight question a straight answer?

    Option A- no access, no free movement

    Option B- access, free movement

    Pretend for a minute those are the only options.
     
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  5. DMD

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    If others follow suit and bin the EU, there may not be a single market in it's existing form.
     
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    why should the amount of everything go up threefold?
    why should we put big tariff barriers on the rest of the world?
    there certainly wont be any tariffs on UK produced goods sold in the UK.
    If the UK put tariffs of 200% on imported goods then the country would receive a lot in tariffs but seeing as goods from the rest of the world only have tariffs of, on average, 3% to 10%. I don't know why you think that there will be tariffs of 200% on goods from all the world plus other charges of 200% for goods produced and sold in the UK. Do you have any evidence that is the plan? It sounds more like a scare story to me.
     
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    From PMQ

    Theresa May is beginning a statement on the G20 summit urging people to look at Britain's Brexit negotiations in a "sober and considered way".

    She says it is not about looking at the Norwegian model or other models, "it's about developing our own British model".

    "We'll not take decisions until we are ready, we will not reveal our hand prematurely and we will not provide a running commentary on every twist and turn," she said.

    "We'll maximise and seize the opportunities that Brexit presents."
     
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    I gave you a straight answer to your question. It's not my fault if you didn't understand it.
    Option A
     
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    Explain your 3 fold price increase
     
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    You gave me your usual idealistic convoluted babble.
     
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  11. Bodinki

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    No, threefold was an exaggeration obviously.
    I am not prepared to pay a single penny more than I have to, for anything, to placate xenophobes.
     
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    That seems sensible to me, whatever other people say.
    I've never known anybody go to a car dealer and say: "I'll offer you £1,000 for the car but if you reject the offer I'll offer you £1,500."
    Now, as I said, I've never known anybody do that but that's not to say some people don't think it's not a good idea. Just please don't expect me to think it's a good idea.
     
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    The EU works more through lobbying than democracy. If the big EU industries want to trade with the UK, they'll sort the deal out, and then lobby to get something that near enough supports that through.
     
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    I think everybody else understood my straightforward answer.
     
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    I can't, I was exaggerating.
     
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    We agree, that is sensible.
     
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    Go live in the EU then
     
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    So don't. Pay it so we can stop criminals entering the country and to ensure we have schools, hospitals and houses. You can always buy goods from the UK and the rest of the world and save the extra after tax money from the reduction in taxes due to the money received in tariffs.
     
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    I think the government have made clear that in their view restricting movement comes first. Whether they can sustain this I think is dubious and dependant on the economy.

    The tariffs concept does not work for us. If we impose tariffs them we can expect similar retribution but it also misses the point that the single market is a customs union and dropping out of it would impose inspection fees and delays at European ports which would be disastrous for external trade of perishable goods not to mention this risk to our services sector.
    Tariffs themselves will push up prices to consumers and manufacturers that rely on the import of raw materials leading to inflation and a reduction in overall trade.
     
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    More from PMQ

    Conservative Sir Bill Cash, chairman of the European Scrutiny Committee, urged the prime minister to continue her pursuit of free trade to ensure the EU and European Commission no longer runs Britain's trade policy.

    Mrs May replies that she wants to be "ambitious" with future trade deals.

    "Of course we can't formally have those deals in place and operating until we leave the European Union," she said, but Britain can start the preparations.



    Replying to the Labour leader, Theresa May says Brexit will involve Britain having "a new relationship" with the EU.

    She says the government wants a good deal and doesn't want to give away its hand, which is why she will not be giving a running commentary on negotations.

    But she says the new deal will include controls over the right to move from the EU into UK, and the right deal on goods and services.

    She adds that free trade has underpinned the future prospects of the UK.
     
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