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  1. AlRawdah

    AlRawdah Well-Known Member

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    Tremendously interesting piece. I hope the board grammar police don't get to read it though.
     
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    I missed the link, cheers OLM. As a graphic designer I'm looking at the pics itching to retouch the cosmetic marks on them, although they do give them the authentic look.
     
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  3. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    The first pictures we have seen in 1904 the team was in white, so must have change to the black and amber stripes soon after. Great picture.
     
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  4. Bengals Tiger

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    What did you find, apart from a couple of errant apostrophes?
     
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    Microfilm files of the Hull Daily Mail are kept at the Hull History Museum which my sister visited yesterday. Confirmed that there are no microfilms for the Saturday Green Hull Sports Mail where the match was covered in detail.

    The Sat. HDM had an article about the 3000 City supporters leaving Hull to watch the game but no match report.

    The Mon HDM had an article by Matt Busby congratulating City on their win with a brief match report by 'Three Crowns"

    I will send a copy of the above articles to your website.

    For general info my sister tells me that items from the HDM up to 1950 are now digital and can be read on -line, with further digitization planned from 1951 at some point in the future.
     
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    The link at the bottom of that article talks about Hull City beating Vasas,

    I never knew that story - it's a great read
     
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  7. tigerscanada

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    Which article has the link TigerinSydney ? Is it this one ?

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    HULL CITY AND THE GAME THAT FLEET STREET TRIED TO STOP
    The tale of England’s humbling at the hands of Hungary at Wembley in November 1953 has become something of a legend. As has the return fixture, although to a lesser extent, in which the Magical Magyars trounced Walter Winterbottom’s side 7-1 in front of a 92,000 capacity crowd in Budapest less than a year later. Less known perhaps, is the story of Vasas SC and their tour of England in 1955.

    In the mid 1950’s it was something of a rarity for English clubs to play European opposition, however Vasas had a tradition of travelling abroad and pitting themselves against the top three sides from said country. This was an annual excursion that the club had upheld for 25 years, during which time they had – remarkably - remained unbeaten.

    In 1955 Vasas were to travel to England where the locals were unsurprisingly keen to banish the woes that the 13-4 aggregate loss of 1953 and 1954 had inflicted. The three sides elected to challenge Vasas were Tottenham Hotspur, Sheffield Wednesday and Wolverhampton Wanderers, widely regarded as being amongst the elite of English football at that point. The games were to take place during midweek and as such the three sides involved also had to play at floodlit grounds, something that was far from commonplace at the time.

    Vasas may not seem like one of football’s giants to a modern fan. Today they ply their trade in the modest Nemzeti Bajnokság II, Hungary’s second division. However, in an era when the Hungarian national team were regarded as the greatest in the world, holding a record from 1950-1956 of 42 victories, 7 draws and only one defeat in the 1954 World Cup final at the hands of West Germany, it is perhaps surprising that very little is known of the nation’s club football at this time.

    Whilst greats Ferenc Puskas and Sandor Kocsis eventually left Hungary for Real Madrid and Barcelona, the aforementioned both played for Budapest Honved before their moves and it was Honved who vied with Vasas for the major domestic titles throughout the 1950’s. Between 1955 and 1957, Vasas won the Hungarian League (NBI), the Hungarian Cup and Europe’s Mitropa Cup, establishing them firmly among Europe’s elite of the era.

    Vasas’ first challenge on their tour of England was provided by Tottenham Hotspur. Boasting a star-studded squad featuring the likes of Alf Ramsey, Ted Ditchburn, Len Duquemin, Sonny Walters and Bill Nicholson, Spurs had won the league and finished as runners-up twice in the fifties. Such greats could do little to suppress the irresistible Vasas though, who found no trouble in matching the exploits of their national side, putting seven past their hosts at White Hart Lane.

    Next up for Vasas was a trip to the Steel City for a tie at Hillsborough against Sheffield Wednesday, the lowest ranked of the three sides Vasas were set to face. The Owls inclusion in Vasas’ tour was down, in no small part, to the then excellent Hillsborough stadium and its credentials for hosting a midweek mid-evening game. Wednesday had largely consolidated in England’s top tier throughout the fifties and, following Tottenham’s humiliation, many observers in the media were already looking to Wolves to restore some faith in the English game in Vasas’ final tie.

    The press’ fears were soon confirmed as the Budapest side, drilled by legendary coach Lajos Baroti, maintained their form and put six past Wednesday, Dezső Bundzsák, Szilágyi Gyula and co making light work of their opponents from South Yorkshire.

    Wolverhampton Wanderers, three-time English champions in the 1950’s and two-time runners-up were unbeaten against European opposition in 1955, having seen off the likes of Real Madrid two years earlier. However, ravaged by an injury crisis, England’s great hope pulled out of the game at the last moment. With Vasas looking to complete their tour, Bob Brocklebank’s Hull City side, who found themselves at the foot of the second division at the time, offered to take up the fixture that Wolves had withdrawn from.

    The Tigers saw themselves as the ideal candidates to take the fixture, the state of the art Boothferry Park was regarded as the best surface in England at the time and was superbly lit by the floodlights at the ground. The national press though saw things slightly differently. Given the Hungarian’s exploits against two of the UK’s strongest sides, the nation’s media guardians feared a cricket scoreline would be in order should the second divisions’ bottom side take up the challenge. This didn't stop officials from Vasas travelling to East Yorkshire and the representation were appropriately impressed enough by the venue to accept Hull’s challenge. Despite pressure from a jingoistic national press, the Tigers refused to back out of the game and Hull City v Vasas took place on Monday, 17 October, 1955.

    Today one might expect to see a rotated squad in a game seen as such a mismatch of quality, but in 1955, ten years before substitutes were introduced into the English game, squads offered little room for manoeuvre. As such, second division strugglers Hull City would face the same starting eleven that had put seven goals past Spurs and six past Sheffield Wednesday.

    In a fairly unremarkable Hull City side, Neil Franklin and Viggo Jensen stood out. Franklin, regarded by many as England’s finest defender of the era was described by Tom Finney as “the best centre-half I ever played with or against”. Franklin found himself at Boothferry Park after returning to England following his controversial move to Colombia’s Independiente Santa Fe, with England’s top sides reluctant to sign him upon his return. Jensen, a 1948 Olympic bronze medallist, established himself as a fan favourite in East Yorkshire after 308 games and 51 goals for the club, in which time he received 15 caps for Denmark.

    A crowd of 13,889 turned out to watch the Tigers take on Vasas, in what would become a historic game. A remarkable hat-trick by Bill Bradbury, who had joined the club from Birmingham that month, saw Hull achieve a famous 3-1 victory. It was often said, including by the late great Andy ‘Jock’ Davidson that Bradbury should have played at a far higher level, but he was often referred to as “a clown”.

    Fleet Street were unsurprisingly quiet after the match, given their vehement attempts for the game to be called off but Hull City fans of a certain vintage will forever remember the game as the day their club ended the dominance of one of Europe’s elite on a Monday night at Boothferry Park. The Tigers’ remarkable achievement against Vasas did little to curb their poor league form though, and in a season where Vasas went on to win the Mitropa Cup, Hull City were relegated to the Third Division.

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  8. tigerscanada

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    Re. the article (post#847) , I thought Bill Bradbury was a brilliant player. Years later Rodney Marsh reminded me of B.B. - he was prone to take the mickey out of the opposition just like City's "clown" used to do. He had a wonderful understanding with Brian Bulless, the first player I ever saw perfect the long throw-in into the penalty area.

    PS: Hope I'm not breaking any copyrights here OLM ?

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    NOSTALGIA: When City last played Barnsley in the Cup
    January 24, 2013/8 Comments/in Nostalgia /by Matt
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    Almost by accident, Hull City find themselves playing Yorkshire rivals Barnsley in the FA Cup this weekend. The 210 minutes against Leyton Orient in the third round included two goals at the death; one by Nick Proschwitz to earn a replay, the other by Tom Cairney to avoid penalties.

    You have to go back 55 years for the single previous occasion City faced Barnsley in the Cup, and that’s what we’re doing right here. As the structural system of the league prepared to de-regionalise itself, the Tigers were, in 1957/58, looking to avoid a relegation. Of sorts. The two geographical Third Division tables were going to be halved according to final placings, and the new Third and Fourth Divisions would be hitherto constructed.

    City finished the 1956/57 campaign in the top half of the northern third tier, rarely looking hopeful of promotion, with a mid-table position over the festive season improving only mildly. There was hope for the next campaign but, with an early form of the pessimism that the modern-day City fan has crafted into an art, most people would settle just to avoid the new bottom division.

    Bob Brocklebank was in charge of the team, and he had begun badly, overseeing relegation in 1956. His main issue over subsequent seasons was a lack of tactical nous, with players regularly looking lost or out of place, plus a desire to hold on to the transfer budget rather than spend it. Still, though his style and methods were questioned, he evidently wasn’t a disaster, and in the Third Division North, the Tigers were consistent (if frustrating) under his stewardship. By the beginning of 1958 the team was a bit sloppy but capable of some stirring form, and were mid-table in the division.


    They were also in the third round of the FA Cup, having beaten strugglers Crewe Alexandra at Boothferry Park and then overcome Port Vale, equivalent mid-tablers in the southern half of the divide, after two games – the 2-2 draw at Vale Park and subsequent 4-3 win in the replay just 48 hours later (with an unchanged team) proving a pair of especially entertaining games.

    The draw for the third round gave Brocklebank’s men a sterner test, with Barnsley a division higher and boasting a serving England B international in winger Arthur Kaye. By now all of City’s ageing big names – Carter, Franklin, Mannion – had left the club and there wasn’t a household name among Brocklebank’s charges. But the Tigers went into the game at full strength in the outfield, courtesy of Brian Cripsey’s return to fitness after a month out with a calf injury, and an in-form centre forward in Bill Bradbury, who had scored three times in December and contributed four to the FA Cup campaign already. The only absentee of note was veteran keeper Billy Bly, who had been crocked for a month. His deputy Len Round had let in three on Boxing Day at Gateshead, and so third-choice Bernard Fisher was given a chance in nets.

    Barnsley, back then nicknamed the Colliers (as were rugby league’s Featherstone Rovers, whose simultaneous game at the Boulevard meant that two lots of Colliers were visiting Hull at once), were also injury-free and took to the field with confidence as a large crowd, delighted that the pitch had been given the all-clear after a harsh overnight frost, piled into Boothferry Park.

    Bradbury hit the crossbar with a header from a Cripsey corner in the very first minute, and then with the next attack (after “150 seconds” according to the Hull Daily Mail) put the Tigers ahead. Veteran full back Dennis Durham intercepted a stray ball in midfield and sent Brian Bulless clear to the edge of the box. His smart chip found Bradbury unmarked, and he clipped the bouncing ball over advancing Colliers’ keeper Harry Hough.

    The visitors, stung, forced three quick corners in succession as they sought a swift response but the Tigers defence coped with them. Left half Andy Davidson then fouled Kaye on the edge of the box on 20 minutes, and when Les Collinson could only partially clear Jack Short’s free kick, Lol Chappell teed up a thigh-high volley for Norman Smith, whose finish was true and unstoppable.

    Davidson, culpable for the goal due to his bad challenge, started getting stick from the crowd as he continued to give away dangerously-positioned free kicks. The Barnsley fans present were especially unimpressed with the Scotsman’s treatment of Kaye, and in the end Davidson took a severe reprimand from the referee before adjusting his game. Barnsley took the initiative and dominated the rest of the half, with Fisher bravely diving at the feet of Malcolm Graham to deny the inside-forward a certain goal.

    Just before the break, City fashioned a rare chance. Bulless broke and forced a corner which caused major confusion in the Barnsley box. Hough was out of his goal and out to sea as the ball ricocheted everywhere, until Doug Clarke saw a chance but ballooned it over the bar. Still, the half time whistle that followed meant that it was City who disappeared down the tunnel with the momentum.

    The second half was a slower, cagier affair and the nigh on 22,000 crowd were not treated to a great spectacle. Cripsey missed his kick entirely in front of goal after Bradbury had delightfully set him free, and City maintained the pressure thereafter but the Colliers manfully defended. On the break, Chappell and Kaye spurned reasonable chances and Tigers winger Johnny Stephens aimed a centre towards Bradbury that Hough managed to pluck off the striker’s head.

    And so it ended 1-1, with all the thrills coming in the breathless first 20 minutes of the game. Immediately the replay was scheduled for the following Wednesday and so there was a clamour for tickets, with this unexpected bonus of a trip to a higher-placed club whom the Tigers had more than matched on their own turf. City gave the travelling faithful something to remember that evening courtesy of a 2-0 win, with the goals from Clarke and Bulless coming, again, in the opening 20 minutes.

    The success at Oakwell prompted a small upturn in league form, as City got a draw and a win in the next two games, but the fourth round tie at Sheffield Wednesday, for which the only change was Bly’s return in goal, saw the Tigers go in a bit cold, having not played for 11 days due to postponements caused by the January ice. The Owls were a top-flight team, albeit a struggling one, and were just that bit fitter for the game at Hillsborough, though the Tigers exited the competition with as much heroism as possible, losing 4-3 – Bradbury’s goal in that game was his sixth that season in the FA Cup which matched a club record held jointly by Sammy Stevens and Norman Moore.

    City had an eventful remainder of the season, losing only three times in the last 19 games, while also beating Oldham Athletic 9-0 and accruing 4-4 draws at Tranmere Rovers and Bradford Park Avenue. Bradbury played every game of the campaign, ending with 19 in the league to go with his half dozen in the Cup, while Clarke contributed 18 in the two competitions. The Tigers finished an excellent fifth, six points and three places from promotion but with serious hope for progress under Brocklebank as the new nationalised lower tiers came into being.

    The team that took to the field against Barnsley was pretty much Brocklebank’s first choice XI barring the keeper. Fisher was a youthful custodian who had been discovered in York boys’ football, and eventually he succeeded Bly and became first choice for a couple of seasons. Frank Harrison, who spent the first half of the season injured, and the 34 year old Durham were the full backs, with future skipper Davidson joined by Collinson and Paul Feasey in the middle; this trio would become distinguished and invaluable enough to clock up more than 1,000 League appearances for the Tigers between them. The front line had Stephens on the right, a player who would leave at the end of the season and retire at the early age of 25 just through indifference to the game. Cripsey worked the left flank, and star man Bradbury was aided in the centre by Clarke and Bulless, players who carved out their own legend through very long service with the club.

    City eventually made the Second Division under Brocklebank the following season, with Bradbury banging in 30 League goals, a club record that has not been equalled. Though FA Cup runs would come and go – some amazing, some thrilling, most uneventful, a lot rotten – only once has someone managed to equal what Bradbury achieved in that 1957/58 run – and Duane Darby did it all in one game, against non-league opposition. Perhaps this weekend’s tie against Barnsley might produce a new FA Cup talking point that will be written about in more than 50 years time. Let’s face it, the club needs something to get itself excited in the Cup this season.

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  9. FilthyMcNasty

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    The white shirts in 1904 thing has been comprehensively debunked.
     
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    Boothferry Park 1962

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    Indeed there is CT. My sister found this from The HDM microfilm archive for Monday 14th Jan 1952.

    MATT BUSBY TELLS THE TIGERS, 'WELL DONE'.

    By THREE CROWNS

    Manchester United Chief, Matt Busby, has the reputation of being one of soccer's gentleman. He is,and he enhanced his good name at Old Trafford on Saturday when,in the midst of one of the most disappointing moments of his career he made a beeline for Hull City's dressing room to congratulate the team who had knocked the Manchester idols off their pedestal by 2-0 in their 3rd round FA Cup tie.
    As soon as the last whistle sounded- it had a triumphant ring to everyone from Hull- Matt left his seat in the stand and hurried downstairs to say "well done, and you deserved it" to 11 flushed and happy heroes.
    The Manchester manager had been right through the mill of the game and he knew the feelings of those City players. After months of struggle and defeat in the League they had won through to a success which could only have been expected from the best in the land
    And this was by way of an answer to Matt's congratulations,voiced by Raich Carter but the opinion of all of his team-mates " Many thanks,it was a pleasure". Now that answer is not what it might seem. It was not prompted by bravado, but by a desire to let Manchester know that City appreciated the United's correct acceptance of defeat at the hands of outsiders.

    NOT A FLUKE

    Let Carter go on to his own words. "It was a great pleasure to play United. They play football and they allow you to play football - something we don't see every day in the 2nd Division."
    This is my cue to point out most strongly to those who could not bear witness to City's triumph with their own eyes, that United were beaten by football.
    City's success was nothing in the nature of a fluke. It was the result of greater skill, determination and a complete absence of cup tie nerves. I happen to know several of the Tigers had 'butterflies in the stomach' before the game, but when it came to putting boots to the ball, there was nothing shaky about them.
    Not so with United, they appeared to be taken aback by the visitors' competent start, and for a long time their efforts were sluggish compared to City's.

    CARTER'S GENIUS

    It was no surprise when the Tigers scored through Gerrie in 15 minutes. They had looked like a team who would score first and a great move by Carter which beat 2 men put Harrison in the position to find Gerrie with a long cross - and the Scot did the rest. The goal was a gem of football and never has Carter's football brain been seen to greater effect than during these seconds when he held the ball long enough to allow Harrison to get into position.
    United had the chance to get on terms after 28 minutes when they were awarded a penalty, but they were in such a state that their star marksman Rowley, blazed the ball well wide.
    Burbanks made City's 2nd goal when he dropped a centre at Harrison's feet and, although the angle was difficult, the right winger shot past goal keeper Allan coolly and accurately.
    These 2 goals fully represented the visitor's superiority in the first half. Their half back play had been matchless, their attack nippy and hardworking and the defence as sound as a bell. In fact, they had had United labouring.

    GREAT DEFENCE

    In the 2nd half the home side were battering away in City's half practically without respite, but so well did the Tiger's defend there was never sufficient reason to seriously think that the first division cracks could pull the game out of the fire.
    No doubt everyone from Hull had a dread that it was too good to be true and feared that United must get 2 or 3 goals if they kept it up, but this was never more than a doubt and the football evidence right through was that City could hold on.
    There were, of course, the usual quota of near misses, particularly in the last minute or two, when United came close to opening their account, but every game has its tale of chances missed and not all the luck was with City. Manchester might have been 4 goals down at half time if we are to count all the near things.
    Even when Rowley Pearson and Co. did manage any shooting they must have despaired of beating goalkeeper Joe Robinson who made many brilliant saves.
    What a triumph it was for 'Robby'. Called into the first team due to Bly's injury, he played in such a way that home supporters could not believe it was the first occasion he had made the first team this season.

    A TEAM JOB

    Now for the honours list. In my opinion City's best players were: Robinson, Hassall, Jensen, Harris, Berry, Durham, Harrison, Carter, Gerrie, Todd and Burbanks. They are all there and they have to be for this was a team job.
    Enlarging on this theme though this game will be remembered as Carter's best since his come-back - he ran around like a 25 year old - Durham's best ever and the match which was often dominated by Tom Berrie's head. I lost count of the number of times the cool centre- half broke up attacks. And of course Robinson's goalkeeping could not have been bettered.
     
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  12. tigerscanada

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    Fantastic Mr. B_M_B....many thanks to your sister & yourself for making the effort to retrieve this historic report. I'm sure Mr. Porter from the Giant Killers site will be extremely grateful, as am I and no doubt many who read this thread. Great effort.
    You now have me wondering if I'll be able to retrieve the 8-page supplement from the HDM that appeared after City's fabulous 1965-66 exploits. Somehow my copy disappeared somewhere during my globe-trotting exploits.

    Don't you just love that sentence I highlighted - 11 man of the match performances !
     
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    A great many thanks to your sister and everyone else who has contributed in regard to this tie. Those reports can really help put together a story of this little piece of Hull and Cup history. I'll post on here when it's written. Drop by the site and drop me a line with your sister's address. i owe here a '52 City vs Bury match programme.
     
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    Many thanks to all who helped track down background info on the Manchester United 1952 game on my behalf, especially Tony for painting a great first hand picture of being there and his sister for doing the footwork at Hull library. I hope that those Hull fans who were supporting the club in 1952 enjoy the account of the tie and those who have come along since enjoy a piece of Tiger's history not currently covered elsewhere on the web. http://www.thegiantkillers.co.uk/1952hull.htm
     
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    Hull City ground and Cricket Circle, 1931:

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    I don't know if this has been uploaded before on this thread. I couldn't see it anywhere but apologies if it's somewhere.


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    Anyone recognise this?

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    Billy Bremner and Paul Haigh

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