Match Day Thread Vs Everton (H)

Yawn. Does your ****ishness never have a night off?

 

When I do you lot cry about that too

 

No, we pass comment when you go on an urgently arranged drug mule run straight after a defeat

Hopefully after moaning about the inevitable 'bent' ref on the match thread , you'll be nowhere to be seen next week

 

Nope, you turn up after we've had a disappointing result and then whinge about me not being on regardless of whether I've even posted at all that day

I suppose you'll be on regardless of the outcome, at least to defend Barkley's attempts at #doingataylor because of something Suarez did years ago

 

Erm. They didn't, so I'm not

 

FFFBS

 

#doingamoshiri

 

anyway................

internationals are not get over really but LFC team should be becoming clearer

Lallana and clyne should be now back at anfield for training.

Henderson is back in training

mane is playing in barnet someplace today so can be back wednesday in melwood

wijnaludm plays tomorrow also.


however coutinho and firmino won't be back til Friday realistically also the belgian stupid ****s went to play a stupid menaingless game v russian away tomorrow so origi and mingolet won't be back until close on friday either!!!


It is intensely frustrating that utterly meaningless friendlies are undertaken AND then we don't have the cynicism to pull our players out of them like utd do

My view is strongly that international sides should be told to only play the competitive games on dates mid season, no friendlies or at least hold them right at season start. Internationla teams seeking cash form glamour ties should bascially be told to faff off until june and do it then.

 

Alternatively they can cut out the BS money-raising friendlies - mid-season friendlies which are supposed to be preparation for a competitive game must only be played before the competitive game and must have the same squad nominated in advance for both

 

Thought you was blaming the blue ****e for a mo

Although they may end up doing similar to that at some point help fund stadium

 

Ideally yes but scheduling for competitive games relies on teams in the group lining up.

IMO they should take all of that away from teams and as the draw is made the home and away games are allocated with group.

Now... lets face it England were playing lithunobody so set up this friendly v germany to drum up a bit of interest/finance before it. If england had been forced say to play malta or scotland back to back they'd make no cash... but thats just tough eh?

IMO if the FA can't make money or any other coutnry can't make enough they should not be in competitions.

I do agree about the squad thing. Name your squad of 23 and then be forced to work that squad over the two games. If the mancs withdraw players with mystery injuries they miss the competitive game too.

I just think that belgium going to russia for a "friendly" is utterly pointless. seeing lallana play most of both england games is really annoying.

Seeing our two brazilians consistently not back til 24 hours prior to a game is mildly annoying too but understandable.

 

I reckon LFc side is almost picking itself for this game. Our only thought is do we play both coutinho and frimino on staturday morning?

Mingolet
clyne matip Lovren Milner
lallan henderson wijnaldum
Mane Origi Coutinho

Maybe firmino will play i dunno

what about evertons side now though?

 

Maybe there's players you want to give a chance to see on the international stage without having them in the 23 for competitive games. Spain are a good example as they have so much depth, there's loads of players that the manager would like to see but wants to play them in a no risk friendly rather than in a competitive group match.

 

sure.. those are called b internationals

what you find being serious is Spain will go play a glamour game in dubai or somewhere with 90% of their best team on show due to the type of fixture and ignore bringing on young talent.

being serious the proper way to bring on young talent is to have a proper development squad tour someplace and play 3 friendlies... in the early summer. say ok you are in FA cup final, cl or europa action.. fine no problem but the most won't be so gareth southgate should get them together for 3/4 weeks work with them all and play them in that kind of setting.

Hell organise the damned thing for a home nation thing if desired.

You do this to understand whats there and bring them into your competitive squad when its time.

also to win a world or european nations trophy you can't be chopping and changing. IMO you should have 16/18 absolutely core committed players to pick from and work together for 2 years so you know day 1 of tournament exactly who is players and how they will play.

I don't think i am wrong about this. I also think a cmap like that for guys in late may/early june should be compensated for by clubs in preseason as it should be better for them developmentally than preseason slog.... the sad thing is the international coaches are probably far less able to coach.

 

Smaller nations don't have the talent pool to have development squad tours and sides. So basically you're penalising top players who play for smaller nations then because they'd have to go along on these tours just to make the numbers up!

 

no i'm not

if the pool for wales is so small you call up a 17 year old who looks about 12 for a competitive fixture you won't have a problem only playing competitive games you pbably only have 16/18 guys you've ever call on anyway as a result so filling out 3/4 others to give experience is no issue

plus you should still be well able to have a development tours at seasons end and play 3 friendlies wihtout recourse to flying to usa or dubai... don't be playing the poor little wales card here

The issue for england is that england doesn't realise its in as bad if not worse a place as wales. England cannot pick form championship cos if it did there would be hell to pay in the press etc. So england has to pick up any kid going in prem teams and hope they are ok. then half their senior so called stars won't bother the turn up. If anyhitng englands pool of good players who are hardened pros is even smaller than wales as a result

Wales at least has a reliable cohort of players plus the only british "world class" player who will turn up even if injured cos he wants to. England sees defections constantly like rooney and many others and has this incredible disease of picking flavour of the month players and never building continuity.

you watch. next world cup england will turn up not knowing what system they play or who will be playing... just watch.

The comparision to spain or italy or germany is there far more players to pick from in those countries now. Italy has even taken action to increase its top teams quota of home players. Here the only players are players at small clubs as the top teams are awahs with imports

Like... LFc have a few, just a few english players and they are all derided for being trash and its said we should replace with anyone form elsewhere. Same at other top clubs. No english players go foreign to develop hardly.... so its a perfect storm.

the very least the FA could do is make a developmental tour happen. Just play 2/3 games in late may. Give players like keane a few games then. Its nice he can get a chance in such an easy group of course but the benefits of 3 weeks together cannot be underestimated.

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ercentage-of-foreign-players-8211-uefa-report

69.2% of players in prem are "foreign" not sure if that includes the odd scot and the wlesh and irish
55% in italy
49% in germany

worryingly

50% in english championship

you tell me where english players get to play if the championship is 50% foreign players

 

To be fair we do only play competitive games because its better for our world rankings. We didn't play a single friendly between our Euro 2016 qualifiers and we haven't played one since before the Euros. Maybe that's why we have less withdrawals than England, because we don't play many 'pointless' games therefore we have a better relationship with the players respective clubs.

The poor little Wales card got us to the semi-final because people kept underestimating us

What you say about England is true, there's not even consistency in their decisions, team selection or tactics. Once there's a bit of clamour for a player to come in, like Carroll for example, even if he doesn't fit into the playing style at all they'll chuck him in and act all surprised when it doesn't work out. Michael Keane is another example, he plays for a team that plays really narrowly and he gets loads of protection from the full backs and holding midfielders then he's expected to go to England team and play in a team that's expected to play really expansively in a team that centre backs will be exposed 1v1 a lot more often, its only going to go wrong IMO.

 

maybe so. I just assumed it was or the love of the jersey.

I totally agree on england. someone is a wet weekend playing now and they are straight in ... like rashford. its just flavour of the month. Thats why i was shcoked but happy defoe got a call as at least his ongoing form merited a cap.

Keane was played in a 343 v germany. england only lost 1-0 shockingly as the formation comes form copying the team on top of the prem. hardly the place to do it but do it he did.

That experiment will then be discarded in next games whenever they are.

My view of international football is old school. a guy should EARN an opportunity. It is easier now due to that foreign player thing i showed. Its hard to get a game in the prem than play for england IMO. In fact i'd go so far as to say if you regularly play in the prem and don't get an england call you must be a terrible player.

I think if a manager starts an international campaign he should have a good training camp pick his 16/18 really core players and stick with them all the way. and to be damned with the media picking favorites. to get in to a squad then you need to be earning it. Then that manager needs to bring that team and style together every international break and work on same set up. end of.

I was sure last world cup and then euros england basically decided

a) they didn't know who was going
b) didn't know how to play
c) they needed to do preseason before the comp and knackered players

how in 6 years in charge can you not know your team and your style of play? Its obscene.

I bet wales know full well how they will line up if they've even 11 fit players.