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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    This is absolutely spot on.

    They're in total denial.
     
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  2. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    You do seem to obsess about the brown child far away
    Do you work for an aid agency by any chance
    The election was about the UK apparently and it's place in the world
    Not about the foreign aid budget
    How much money should the UK give to the Indian space agency
     
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  3. Bwood_Ranger

    Bwood_Ranger 2023 Funniest Poster

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    I’m saying that Labour shouldn’t obsess about it, at least not publicly. Play the game of politics like Cummings does. We’d probably reduce foreign aid to zero if it was put to a referendum so just stay away from the topic if you want to win with people who are struggling to pay the mortgage.

    Give people a slogan of four words or fewer. Tell them they’ll be richer if you win. Don’t put enough numbers in your manifesto for anyone to be able to prove you wrong. Simple really. I could be the younger, better looking, broader, Jewish Cummings if they want to hire me.

    The company I work for is far more destructive and tax-avoiding than any ad agency.
     
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  4. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    The game of politics is what it's all about
    Getting elected and spending up to five years sucking on the tax payers teat is all most of them care about
     
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  5. colognehornet

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    Unfortunately you can have the best manifesto in the World but if people have to read through pages and pages to find out what you are about then you are onto a loser. Under Johnson we can expect a further personalization of politics in which the messenger is more important than the message. Labour should not be looking just for a leader of their party, but someone who can stand opposite Johnson in the house for the next 5 years - a leader of the opposition, and the Prime Minister in waiting. The trouble was that nobody could actually imagine Corbyn as PM. The next Labour leader should be the most gifted public speaker in the House of Commons - that should be their aim, they should also be able to use humour as a weapon, like Johnson does. They should also be able and willing to talk to the media. Their position on the political spectrum is not so important if they have these qualities. They need to realize that this left vs middle debate is not that at all but rather fundamentalist vs pragmatist (Realpolitik) - idealism without power sucks, and power without idealism is aimless.
     
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  6. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Spot on! X1000
    Remember when I said about the ‘phone ins’ and some on here took the P.... well where are you now! Funnily the 3 most vocal have conveniently done a Glen Miller. :emoticon-0127-lipss
    For all their crappy posts about Corbyn an Labour they were utterly and completely wrong. At least one or two have the balls to return and accept it.
    Anyway....
    If Labour want any chance at 2029 election they need to get in Lisa Nandy or Jess <wah><wah>Phillips<wah>.
    And stop calling everyone who disagrees as racists.
     
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  7. QPR Oslo

    QPR Oslo Well-Known Member

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    Yes I agree. Unfortunately choosing the right populist leader is more imortant than what the political party will do these days, especially if he or her is dressed as an English Nationalist. Clearly the Tories dont give a toss about Scotland, Wales or Ireland. Labour need another Blair to lead them not a Long-Bailey, with charisma not not political dogma.

    The mistakes Corbyn made were 1) not stopping Brexit when he could have in Parliament in more than 3 years; 2) not clearly backing Remain and a new Referendum at this election; 3) not forging an agreed anti Brexit, anti Tory pact with the LibDem, Greens and Nationalists before this Election-- if they had, they had the vote in % terms at least, and could of formed a government to secure a soft Brexit or a new Referendum. There was nothing much wrong with Labour's manifesto, but few read it. There was everything wrong wth Tory fake news, dirty tricks and withholding of key reports and interviews that the Opposition should probably have focused on more than they did.
     
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  8. Sooperhoop

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    The Labour manifesto with Corbyn as leader was the longest suicide note in history...
     
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  9. colognehornet

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    I can give a nod to the second part but not the first Sooper. The point is that all of the potential candidates for the Labour leadership, whether described as hard or soft left, were representing that manifesto at the election - and if they were not in tune with it then they should not have been standing. If it really was the case that only a half of all candidates and members actually agreed with the manifesto they were representing then it is easy to understand why they lost. I agree on Corbyn - he should now be withdrawn from the firing line as quickly as possible, with an interim leader installed (such as Harriett Harmann) until they have sorted out the new leadership issue.
     
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  10. Stroller

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    It wasn't the manifesto that lost Labour the election. It was Corbyn and Brexit.
     
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  11. ELLERS

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    Kinnock's son said today that the manifesto was pure fantasy. They said at the time it was a joke and anyone that questioned it were bullied or hounded out. Good old Jezza the man of the people.
     
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    Stephen Kinnock should join a different party. I saw a documentary that followed him and a couple of other candidates around during the 2017 campaign. He was visibly distraught when he realised how well Labour had done in that election.
     
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    Emily Thornberry launching legal action against Caroline Flint for defamatory comments. It's getting ugly.
     
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    I agree.
    This Labour party has become the new communist party, who backed them in the election.
    Any labour members who feel that their party is too far to the left now should form a new centre left party imo.
    Any Government with a large majority needs a robust and effective opposition.
    The present Labour party isn't the party that formed the NHS. It has deserted the working class who, in turn, have deserted Labour.
    This Labour party is a protest party from the dinner party elite of Islington. Working class people simply don't identify with them.
    Everyone I know who continue to support Corbynism are well off, middle class people.
     
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  16. ELLERS

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    mmm He is proper Labour not that unelectable out of touch Islington rabble. You need to get with the times Stroller as your out of date politics has just been put to bed.
     
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  18. Stroller

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    Communist <laugh>

    I don't think you're the best person to judge what's 'proper' Labour.
     
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  19. ELLERS

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    Well actually I have been calling these things better than you. Maybe you should have listened to the fella down the pub? They know so much more than Owen Jones. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
    I have banked "It ain't over yet"!
     
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  20. rangercol

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    Did the Communist party stand down in favour of Labour at the election?
     
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