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WTF happened to Pochettino?

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by remembercolinlee, Nov 19, 2019.

  1. The Huddlefro

    The Huddlefro Well-Known Member

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    I agree it needs to be horses for courses to an extent. Not everyone wants to or is able to stand for 90 mins and nobody should have to. But a major issue is the day trippers who have no intention of contributing who just want an Instagram story out of the game. And while I’m all for making things accessible to new fans who perhaps don’t know all the songs and making sure people who don’t want to/can’t stand can still experience the games, there needs to be a recognition that bits of the ground like the South Stand are what makes it special, not just for those in there but for everyone. How you protect those parts of the ground to preserve the atmosphere while making sure the games are accessible to all is beyond me, if I could work it out I suspect that a lot of clubs would be paying me a lot of money as a consultant!
     
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  2. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Absolutely, the social side of going games is a big factor for me. I'm very lucky that I have both family and friends I get to see at games.

    Been a ST holder for 5 years now but been going to Spurs for about 14 or 15, I've met some good people which make the days out much better. At old WHL I got to know a group of Belgians who sat directly behind me, they all travelled from in or around Ghent to Spurs for every single game, unbelievable support. All had a really good dry sense of humour and naturally with Chadli, Dembele, Vertonghen and Alderweireld all here during spells they were in dreamland! They only sit 3 rows behind me now at NWHL so I still get to have a laugh with them at half time. Gotten to know a good number of people from pubs as well and it's crazy how many of those people also sat near me at WHL and even now at NWHL. I think that sort of shows the stereotypical South Stand supporter, likes a beer and/ or a good sing along.

    The football can unfortunately alter my mood for the worse if things are going bad but all in all, days out at the football is more than just the 90 minutes for me.
     
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  3. Lovearsenalcock

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  4. humanbeingincroydon

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    I think several of the squad didn't like him, given his obnoxious habit of trying to blame them for his mistakes - while the game was still going on and, crucially, the opponents had the ball and were exploiting a gap on our right flank...
     
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  5. Citizen Kane.

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    Bitter little git he is. Breezes straight from Sean Dyche to Jurgen Klopp. Makes out as if the interim 3 year period simply didn't happen.

    Didn't rate him from day 1 and tbh the more he runs his mouth to give himself a reassuring pat on the back in the press, the more I'm glad he's gone.
     
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  6. humanbeingincroydon

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    The more he mouths off the more I think we missed a trick in not selling him after the last World Cup when his value would have been at a premium, which would have had the knock-on effect of giving either Foyth or KWP more opportunity to stake a claim at RB
     
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  7. Spurf

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    Trippier showed his lack of class by blaming other players when he made a mistake and he continues with that theme in a back handed way in Spain. The ability to hit a centre does not make you a great footballer especially when you are supposed to be defending first.
     
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  8. KingHotspur

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    "To play in the Champions League for three or four years and finish above Arsenal many times was a great legacy for us,"

    Shame he didn’t feel like that when we lost 5-1 to Newcastle and ended up finishing below Arsenal because of it.

    "To win a title would be a great reward but for us that is the legacy, to have the club and the stadium at Tottenham. That is more than winning titles."

    So Poch values the new stadium more than winning a title? :emoticon-0112-wonde

    His mentality confused me and still does. He comes out with some strange things
     
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  9. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    Re the toon game .... Pochettino reacted angrily to what happened if i remember correctly
     
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  10. Citizen Kane.

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    I agree this is a bit strange. I always assumed he came out with this stuff when he was manager just to toe the party line, deflect pressure away from the players and to maintain unity and positivity. None of that is relevant now. So unless he secretly harbours dreams of working for Levy again in the relatively near future, I'm not entirely sure why he's come out with this bollocks again.
     
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  11. O.Spurcat

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    The man was an arrogant tool. Thankfully, Levy eventually saw him for what he was and dismissed him. I cheered his sacking at the time and still do.
     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

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    Here's why the new stadium is important

    If we remained at WHL and won the league, within 18 months the team would be picked apart because playing at WHL not only wouldn't generate the revenue to give those players bumper contracts to stay when they have the apex predators of Europe looking at our squad, but would also stunt our ability to rebuild because when the fees for X, Y and Z were spent we'd be back where we started

    Look at Leicester for the best example of this: as soon as they won the league Kante was off while Vardy and Mahrez were demanding massive wage hikes to stay (with Mahrez also moaning that he had an agreement that he could have left the year following their league win that the club reneged on, which sounds familiar...) - yet if it was us, we'd have had more than two or three players demanding wage hikes, we'd have had at least half a dozen demanding them (Kane, Eriksen, Son, Dele, Walker, Rose and Alderweireld most likely would have, and probably Verts, Dembele and Dier too) and that would rapidly become unsustainable

    That's why the CL runs and the new stadium are important, because that gives us the infrastructure to keep the core of the team together while also replacing players that either leave or need replacing - and just as importantly, it allows us to prepare for a season where we don't make the CL, because if we can lessen the financial impact of dropping into the Europa (or not even qualifying for Europe) one season that is vital, because let's not forget that Leeds missing out on CL qualification by a single point in 2000-1 was the catalyst for their implosion
     
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  13. KingHotspur

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    I know that the new stadium is vital for long term success but he’s almost dismissing that winning a title is important too.

    If he’s heading to Manchester this summer as many think, then surely he will have to become a relentless winner.

    In football there is no better way to leave a legacy than by winning trophies and titles, Poch doesn’t seem to grasp that.
     
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  14. PowerSpurs

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    I don't agree. Ferguson won many trophies but there is almost no legacy. You are confusing legacy with history. Same thing happened with Bill Nicholson. Nothing lasting was built.
     
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    You can feel the lack of winning mentality in such statements seeping through to players who start to believe that they are doing enough.

    I imagine Jose’s MO is more focused on...winning trophies for a club starved of them is a true legacy
     
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  16. KingHotspur

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    It’s like when he said he would quit if Spurs won the Champions league final, that is a worrying mindset to have for a top level manager. The very best are obsessed with winning things over and over.
     
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    exactly what I often thought.

    One trophy and he’s done...pathetic attitude tbh
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

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    Quick question: who won the 1974 World Cup?

    One team in the final left a lasting legacy not just for the image of their national team but also represented a sea change in football tactics, the other is constantly dismissed (unfairly, but stick with me here...) as being workmanlike and being better than the sum of their parts

    The thing is that while the latter team is the one which won, the former is praised not just as one of the greatest teams in history and the template of modern football - even though they failed to win a trophy
     
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    You seem to have something against winning football

    The lengths and depths you go to in order to prove that winning trophies is not important in Sport is laughable
     
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  20. BobbyD

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    Apart from being arguably the greatest manager of all time?

    Also with fergie in charge man united are still one of the most valuable clubs even though they have done poorly since.

    Some crap legacy that <laugh>
     
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