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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    In this country, a verbal warning is required in most rules of engagement.
    I suspect there may have been a verbal warning in this case, but the security guys may have had permission to shoot first. The close protection officers of high ranking politicians certainly would always shoot first in both countries.
     
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    Aim for the centre mass to stop any threat.
     
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    There was no warning that I could hear on the clip. If you're about to shoot an unarmed person dead, warning should be continuous imo. I'm sure I've heard the UK police giving continuous warnings, ever more urgent, designed to make the target think twice
     
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    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    Because Trump ensured security was relaxed to allow his supporters in.
    It turned to **** as they got further inside.
     
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  5. rangercol

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    Absolutely, but as I say, it was maybe deemed an immediate threat to life and meant shooting to kill immediately.
    If someone managed somehow to get through the outer security at 10 downing street and was running at the door with a backpack, what do you think would happen?
     
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    I agree
    It was public disorder of the highest. You know me and rules Watford. Lock them up! It really is sad all round but when you listen to some of the deluded protesters you can see why they do such things. One said "America was at war and they were ready" WTF!
     
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    I get that, although I don't think it's quite the same. What about EXR protesters at the gates of the House of Commons and a few run in... would they be shot? that's more like it.
     
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    Probably the better comparison would be Parliament. I think it is the lack of a warning or final warning that looks bad. I accept the difficulty for the security forces was the wide range of types of people making up Trump's mob - from elderly, middle class couples holding thermos flasks to a bloke apparently carrying a pipe bomb.

    But to give that woman no final warning when she had a load of armed police behind her still looks wrong to me.
     
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    I believe 2 pipe bombs were found, 1 at least could have taken lives.
     
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    Agreed.
    It depends on the vicinity of high ranking politicians.
    Was the President in the Capitol building? I thought I heard he was but not sure?
     
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    President elect was I understand.
     
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    And the point being they had no way of knowing what else could have been in those backpacks, they had no way of knowing the intentions each of those entering, especially when people were armed and wearing full body armour.
     
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    Uk forces legally have to give a warning, which varies dependant upon the theatre of operations. We shoot to incapacitate the assailant - a mildly injured attacker (say shooting in the legs) can still cause untold damage, either with their own firearm or setting off suicide vest/bomb. I'd imagine the US forces will have similar guidance.

    Paint it any way you wish though, if she hadn't attacked a government building she would be alive today. We all know how gung-ho the federal services in America can be, I'm just surprised the death toll isn't higher.

    Such a "peaceful" protest has also led to the death of a police officer - it's time America had a serious, grown-up debate about their gun laws.
     
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    TBH I have only watched limited news stories on the whole thing Col. I am in no way sticking up for these idiots what they did was wrong and stupid. I also said after listening to a couple on the news, I can confirm that. I just thought the shooting was OTT. However I have only seen that video and I can't say that the officer didn't give her plenty of warning. Just an unnecessary waste of life.
     
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    Some of the rioters at the Capitol could face up to 10 years in jail for 'injury of Federal property' after Trump signed an executive order in July aimed at BLM protesters.:emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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    Pence was in there for the vote confirmation, not sure he was when the invasion took place.
     
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    I have now seen a story saying Pence was there but I'm not sure if Biden was there... he probably doesn't know either.
     
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    It’s been reported one of those who died had a heart attack after tasering himself
     
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    In the balls apparently.

    Darwin awards time.
     
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    Probably a minority view, but imo the smartest thing Biden could do is pardon anyone involved when he takes office, on the condition that anyone involved admits their wrongdoing.
     
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