Match Day Thread Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

most refs / linesman would normally give an offside in that position even if t

tbf most refs do give offside in that situation - mind you that might just be because they hadn't read the newest version of the offside law

 

Two weeks ago you said we'd be in mid-table, now we'll be fighting it out for CL places.

Give it another couple of weeks and you'll be a United fan claiming we'll be winning the title

Anyway after Burnley you better watch out for Spurs and Leicester

 

... some competing more than others perhaps? ...

 

And Everton, West Ham, Villa and Southampton, imo. In fact, atm, I can't see us beating any team in the Prem unless they field a team of kids like Villa had to, and even then we'll make a meal of it.

 

Mike Dean has now awarded a penalty against Liverpool in both Premier League games he has officiated in as a referee this season.

He is still yet to award a single penalty to Liverpool in the Premier League (174 awarded for other teams across 21 seasons).

 

Can't remember what the other one was, but last night was nailed-on, and no complaints. Not blaming Allison, even if Barnes made a meal of it, but that happens to one of our forwards and I'd expect a pen (unless it was Michael Oliver).

 

Yeah. Barnes is looking for it, but you'd expect that of any player under those circumstances.

 

No complaints about the penalty but then should Mane have got one ... he was fouled in similar circumstances in the box ...

 

I wasn't suggesting any wrong doings here, just sharing.

 

they're never given though logically there is no difference to a Goalie doing the same .

 

this is what I don’t get. Rodri was 3 yards from
him when he brought the ball down. When the header was made he was 15 yards or so away. So form the header to mings he’s running 12 yards towards mings and the ball.

how can that not be going to challenge for it?

I understand the loophole if it being played he becomes onside etc but rodri was clearly interfering before mings touches it in my opinion purely for the fact that he’s run towards both mings and the ball before he controls it.

 

pisses me off those ones. As I said in match thread yesterday. I never expect them to be given either for or against us so no complaints but I’d love to have a q&a with a prem ref and ask why in the middle of the pitch a player can pass the ball, get tackles after and it be a foul and yellow.

but in the box a player can have a shot, get tackled late and it not be a foul at all.

yet also a player can have a shot in the box, get tackled late by the keeper and it be a penalty...

 

Same as how you can shield a ball from the attacker without playing if it's in your box, but do it in the middle of the pitch and it's obstruction.
You can challenge for aerial balls and knock players (accidentally) in the middle of the pitch, but even brush a keeper whilst doing it and it's a foul.

There's hundreds of variations of this, there's zero consistency other than the fact that it's simply 'the done thing' in certain situations.

 

Its cos the shot is the best chance of a goal. its just tough if you got split open after. unless the tackle directly stops the shot going on target or whatever.

If a player has the ball and falls over in the box a decision is forced. If you keep your feet though off balance then have a poor shot then its your own fault. This is why defender lean into players, try a push or any sort of contact just to put a player off. They know the shot is the very best chance of scoring so they can influence that without consequence.

A late challenge is a late challenge and deemed dangerous play. Refs will wave play on but go back and book players etc.



In short always go down. same as the rule now is always put it in the net even if you think you are offside or committed a foul as VAR can save you. Exploit the rules fully.

 

That's ridiculous that one - if you haven't touched a ball which is sometimes a yard or two away from you yet you physically prevent someone else from playing it it's clearly obstruction. Like you say, the game has just evolved this way - there's no objectivity to it.

 

In fairness there is quid pro quo. you can basically hack and push anyone trying to shield the ball out as much as you like.

 

Nah - they feel a hand on their back, go down and get a free.

 

nah. you can give them a good slap. a free is no better than a goal kick.

 

The rules of football are similar to the rules of grammar in English - fairly useless. Looking for consistency in either is a pointless exercise.
Both have evolved via a series of ad-hoc adjustments over a period of time, rather than an initial set of fixed parameters. English due to different influences, and football due to changing circumstances - some ethical and some from people who feel the need to make their mark by changing things.
Currently, we see the rules being twisted all out of shape to try and accommodate the introduction of VAR - football being made to fit VAR rather than the other way around.

 

in other words "fixed".

like how city always get an easy cup draw no matter what