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Match Day Thread Saints 9 v Leicester 0, 8pm Friday 30th April, Sky Sports

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  1. BackFromBeyond

    BackFromBeyond Well-Known Member

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    The low view from behind the two players makes it look like Vardy could have still been in possesion. But the elevated view from behnd the pitch shows Jannick's tackle clearly knocks the ball out of Vardy's path towards Alex.

    Do VAR checker empathise with the view the ref had, when considering "clear and obivious errors"?
     
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  2. Saints_Alive

    Saints_Alive Well-Known Member

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    The ref's onfield view should have no bearing on any decision from VAR, it is there to agree with or overturn decisions using the best angles that technology can give it. It is so obvious that Vardy was not denied a clear goalscoring opportunity as he was never in possession of the ball before Big Vester touched the ball back to McCarthy. The only way that he could've been sent off is if he was deemed to have used serious foul play which he wasn't.
     
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  3. davecg69

    davecg69 Well-Known Member

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    Of course they do - especially when it’s Jon Moss - President of the “referee is always right” club ..... :emoticon-0112-wonde:emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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    I have no reason to disbelieve what you have said there. But unfortunately, so many people aren't happy to accept that referees are human. Whether it's fans, managers, the media, whoever; pre-VAR, referees were judged (in the main) by ludicrous standards. If more people were happy to accept that they mess up, VAR might never have been introduced.

    That said, now that so many are seeing VAR in a negative light, maybe more of them would now be happy to accept that referees are human? Alas, even if that is the case, it may be too late. The genie is out of the bottle.

    As for VAR itself, it still has a very long way to go. So many aspects of it can be amended. It's in present format it won't ever be a success. For starters, it needs be overturning horrendous decisions like last night. That's a pretty basic fundamental of it!
     
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  5. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    This is no time for being even handed and impartial. @tomw24 is often right about referees, but there's a time and a ****ing place, and when we've just been robbed ain't it.
     
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  6. Che’s Godlike Thighs

    Che’s Godlike Thighs Well-Known Member

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    I get that, if it's during the game. But it's the morning after now.
     
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  7. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    The sense of burning injustice hasn’t left me yet. It probably would have done, but we’ve been on the wrong end of so many appalling decisions this season, that I feel fully justified in blaming VAR, the Big Six (whoever the **** they are), the Premier League, agents, greed, the modern world, and most particularly Jamie ****ing Vardy, for every single one of them.
     
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  8. 9043graham

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    I completely agree.....doesn't change the outcome though. Vardy is and will always be a @#$#.
     
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  9. thereisonlyoneno7

    thereisonlyoneno7 Well-Known Member

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    You forgot the dishwasher
     
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  10. Che’s Godlike Thighs

    Che’s Godlike Thighs Well-Known Member

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    It was quite nice of Vardy to keep kicking the ball straight at McCarthy though, instead of into the big netty thing behind him.
     
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  11. Saint Elsewhere

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    Indeed. Maddison constantly aiming for the rafters was most kind also.
     
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    I have seen Vardy do it way too often and couple that with his willingness to rake studs down the back of defenders' calves and you have a right twat.
     
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  13. Velcro Roy

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    That's easy,dump it!
     
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  14. Le Tissier's Laces

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    Daft thing is, pre VAR, if the ref had made that decision and sent Vesty off, I'd have been really annoyed. Really, really annoyed. But I would have got it - refs are human and you can see why he might have made the decision.

    But with VAR in place, to quote an oft used Tom phrase, it's 'unforgiveable'.
     
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  15. LincolnSaint

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    Couldn't agree more. All VAR has done is give me the knowledge that there's double the amount of match officials who are inept, as opposed to just blaming the guy on the pitch. I found I'd "get over" poor decisions quicker as well. Now they have all the time in the world to make a decision and they still **** it.

    It's a shame that the game as we know it will never go back to the way it was. An absolute travesty
     
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  16. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

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    Although when the fans, managers, players, ex-players came out against the ESL it got dumped :1980_boogie_down:
    Does anyone that's really involved in the game (see above) actually think VAR has improved anything?

    Although part of the issue is the associated dabbling with the laws (handball in the area is a mess) and variations in the implementation of the laws (players sleeves, shoulders, toes & heels being the main deciding factor of onside / offside decisions is a joke)
     
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  17. One of yer Norvern Saints

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    Yes, I agree. It's that last point that does Vardy for me. His foul on Virgil that put the guy out for the rest of the season - and probably cost us the League Cup - still irks me. As others have said, Oscar winning performances of feigned injury are unfortunately common place. Mind you, how often do we hear the phrase 'he was too honest there and tried to stay on his feet' as a reason for a foul not being awarded? So I understand the falling to the ground at the slightest contact, because otherwise the refs tend not to notice.
     
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  18. Beddy

    Beddy Plays the percentage

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    To be fair refereeing is not the easiest thing to do. Also if they make a mistake they can’t undo it. Although they do try to even things sometimes. How ever in my view every saints player played their socks off. As we all know they can. I think Ralph needs the backing of the board with a decent bit of money. Will he get it.....nah I doubt it. Well done the lads a hard earned point but more than well deserved.
     
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  19. garysfc

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    INCIDENT: Ralph Hasenhuttl was very unhappy with the straight red card shown to Jannik Vestergaard for a foul on Jamie Vardy as he did not think it was a clear goalscoring opportunity, while the defender won the ball.

    DERMOT'S VERDICT: Correct decision if the referee deems it a foul on Vardy.

    DERMOT SAYS: The whole basis of whether this is a red card is whether it is a foul or not. There is no doubt he gets a nick on the ball, and the referee [Robert Jones] judges that he follows through with his studs and caught him on the ankle and is a foul. The minute he gives a foul, it becomes a red card because Vardy may not be in possession of the ball, but he can very quickly get possession of the ball because it is in front of him. If you see where the actual tackle is made, the ball is within Vardy's playing distance.

    Seems like they have changed the accepted rule that if the player gets to the ball first, it isn't a foul, many a pundit has been calling it wrong, if this is upheld, many players will be pulling out of challenges and will be criticised by the fan base. To me the call was wrong, there was no goal scoring opportunity, as Vardy never got near or had control of the ball. If it was a foul, then Tom's first instinct call was correct, it was serious foul play which is a more serious offence and an enquiry may upgrade the sentence.
     
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