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  1. Mckechnie Orange

    Mckechnie Orange Well-Known Member

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    It has been a recurrent theme over the years.

    For every one supporter refusing to go out of principal, theres another 20 armchair fans using it as a convenient excuse not to put their hands in their pocket and protect their ego's amongst active supporters.
     
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    Unless we get Chelsea in the Cup again <laugh>
     
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    Principles go on a "24hr" holiday
     
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  4. dennisboothstash

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    Tbh I think that’s bordering between nonsense and at the very least a massive over simplification.

    Fag packet calculation, but what you’re saying is that if you use the name change as a relevant moment in time every single year we had in the Premier League had less fans that the year before and every single year we had in the Championship had less fans that the year before.
    You’re suggesting that of the thousands that stopped going then the 3000 who stopped going to see Premier League games and the 8000 that stopped going to Championship games 2800 and 7600 respectively stopped going for other reasons than the owners but decided to pretend it was down to the owners.

    That makes no sense (I changed my mind…I do think it’s nonsense)

    Why did they stop then when in similar years before that there had been virtually no change in attendances?

    The reality is that it has been a drip drip of ****housery which has meant people hit their camels straw at various times. Some will have stopped because of family reasons, or they died, or whatever. However in previous years they largely get replaced by people whose kids have grown up again or people being born.

    I’d accept that some may have just fallen out of love with modern football and the Allams personify that locally (but that only accounts for average attendance drops…if there has been any?) but that will be the same everywhere.

    So why did these mythical people who really don’t mind the Allams but want to use them as an excuse to stop going actually stop going then? I’m genuinely fascinated…
     
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  5. Mckechnie Orange

    Mckechnie Orange Well-Known Member

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    Look at the ebb and flow of support since the Needler era. Same cycles repeated. Its a Hull thing.

    There's always something to drop away over - but truth is if City is in yor DNA you don't stop supporting.

    I came from 4k a week at BP, i previously saw Hortons side miss out on the top flight the last day and attendences were falling even then.

    Owners, directors come and go. Supporters remain and i reckon we have about 5 thousand of them, true ones through thick and thin.

    The rest get off when its not a shiny new thing anymore and come back when theres a bit of glory. The rest of the time they just whinge from their arm-chairs.

    That's the reason theres no-one willing to put cash on the table for the club. Not debt, asking price, or the current owners.

    If the club was ever a going concern based on its ability to generate income, then Allam wouldn't have had to bail it out in the first place.
     
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  6. dennisboothstash

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    Yeah I was at BP then too

    Still makes no sense to me.

    some people stop going, but in the 6/7 years prior to the name change thing no one did (on average and give or take 1kish
    I don’t hear many claiming to be boycotting at all. They’ve just got bored with it, and the way the Allams have gone about things has made that worse.
     
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  7. Mckechnie Orange

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    In the years preceeding the proposed name change, City was eating up tens of millions every year and it'd been wall to wall investment every year for a decade. We went places wed never been but at a cost the club couldnt support without more and more revenue, or a richer benefactor than Allam.

    Its hardly surprising that when the club were at their most successful ever in 117 years of history we managed to fill a brand new, medium-sized second-flight stadium for a season or two.

    I think we did a bit better attendence-wise for a few years when boothferry opened, then the apathy set in, and the same excuses those who ****ed off down the M62 back then are being used now for 'fans' sitting on their arses with their hands in their pocket and spunking cash on pay per view premier league.

    In short, its always the owners fault.
     
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    Quite a coincidence that the numbers started declining this time at the same point of the name change isn’t it? And then continued declining while concessions were removed, people were evicted from the seats they had with people they knew, they were told they were irrelevant etc etc.

    I don’t know that many people claiming to be boycotting, but I know for a fact they are, and they were there at BP too.
     
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  9. Mckechnie Orange

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    Youre missing the point that Allam realised he couldnt bankroll the premier league and as a result proposed the name change (in his mind) to attract investment.

    The end of the gravy train occurred before the name change, not after, but the name change 'idea'' WAS the obvious signal to us all that the years of free-spending were over.

    After the name change was defeatd and the Allams werent attending games, they didnt come back 'cos the glory days were over. No
    other reason existed unless youre a ****ing princess who cant take the same kind of insult you've been dishing out yourselves.

    Some northern clubs manage to fill a staduim, sell enough shirts and matchday pies at a significantly higher level than we do. Despite actively despising their owners.
     
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    That wasn’t your point
    Your point was that for every person boycotting due to the Allams there were another 20 who had stopped going for other reasons but were claiming they were boycotting

    My point was that I think that’s nonsense
     
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    You think is bollocks, i dont.

    Opinions are like arseholes.

    Youll see this same cycle repeat again though. When were finally sold, and itll be the owners fault then too.
     
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    You, to coin a phrase, are missing the point.

    I think some people aren’t going because of the Allams, and I agree with you (I think) that some aren’t going because they got bored or for other reasons.

    I just don’t see that there is 20 times the amount not going due to the As who aren’t going but are claiming they’re boycotting.

    Of course there are boycotters on here, but in the real world very few as far as I can see.

    If you think we only have 5k fans through thick and thin then you should be over the moon about how many came in the last season we were able to.
     
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  13. Mckechnie Orange

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    I dont think its the shocker of low attendence most of the boycotters seem to claim, no.

    We may have grown to 8 1/2k core support which is 'great' (in the championship???) , but still doesnt bankroll a championship club without additional investment.

    I'd still put us about 5k if we were a mid table L 2 club - which is consistent with history, Allam or no Allam.

    But fair play if new 'core-support' out-numbers boycotters ( which if you think about it, doesnt contradict my wider point that there aren't that many boycotting purely due to the Allams).

    So the point stands.
     
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  14. Mckechnie Orange

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    *Double post
     
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    Well I am ****ing boycotting and i'll continue to do so while these obnoxious two faced, lying ****s own our Club. I don't care if people call me for boycotting but I do care when my love for the Club is questioned.
    I gave in during lockdown and bought ifollow passes to watch the games because I used to go home and away in the past and I was missing watching the game.
    You can call me a stupid **** but it's a free World and it's my decision no one elses and as soon as these two ****s **** off and **** off again then i'll start attending again.
     
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    From day one of his tenure, inheriting a club with a 30 odd million wage bill, writing an initial cheque of 24 million, and before the ink was dry on that, being asked to guarantee a similar amount. Adam Pearson publicly stating administration was not an option, as there was nothing to administer. Handing Steve Bruce the biggest war chest any manager of City could only previously have dreamt of. At which of those points do you consider he, a qualified accountant, realised he couldn't bankroll a premier league club?

    Only when the FA refused the name change a second time did Papa declare the bank of Allam shut. The gravy train ended there and then. With parent company loans to repay of some 80 million. Ooooops nearly forgot, and he gave his word he would be gone in 24 hours.
     
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    At the point when he got to the premier league he realised he'd have to spend the same again to stay there.

    Allams entire wealth was about 100 - 140 million at the time. Hed already dropped close to 50 on the club. If you look at the list of premier league ownership and look at combined wealth of shareholders. He's small fry. It just took him time to realise.
     
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    Well, i hope any future owners wont offend your sensibilities as much as the allams.

    But if funding us to the most success in history doesnt cut an owner some slack, i suspect they probably will.

    Did you boycott R. Needler, latter day Robinson, Fish, Buchannan and Lloyd or can't you remember them?

    You must have took your ball home over that Bradford south stand occupation, surely....

    If you did then you'll have spent less time going in the last 40 years than going.

    Give your head a wobble. Its the boys on the park we support, not the c**ts in the boardroom.
     
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    A man whose entire wealth equated, at the time, to three years wage bill, writing a cheque and providing guarantees for a third of his total wealth? To buy a championship club? Why????

    I thought I had it all worked out, but another poster a while back added another dimension to the unseemly haste in which he bought the club.
     
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    Cos he hadnt a clue what he was getting himself into.

    Im pretty sure he felt it'd be a 1 off investment - a bit like gettiing a tax rebate on a donation to a cancer unit, and he'd be a hero in Hull for the rest of his days.

    Then he needed a premier league striker to stay there....
     
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