We’re finally sacking off hullcitytigers.com…

In your opinion.
All these attempts to re write history are futile
I was conscious through them.
I won't give the Allams the steam off my piss
When they go, I will go
end of.

 

No ones re-writing any timeline. Press articles and online cotent is still out there.

 

You replied to the wrong post. And you are still wrong.

 

How? Wasnt the problem with coventy that they didnt own their stadum?

 

According to you, who's commenting from an entrenched position - can use whatever argument you want to justify yourself, but the fact is they were out of their depth financially in the premier league and needed a way to generate extra income to compete there without eventually bankrupting themselves.

Nor does it change the fact that withdrawing support makes the club less saleable now.

 

There was always that chance equally there was also the chance it could have been an outstanding success. As it never happened we will never know and a golden opportunity was lost, and we've ended up were Coventry are anyhow.
I cannot stress enough that there was a willingness to develop the stadium and surrounding land at the time. A deal was there to be had and between them they squandered it.
No-one has offered anything since and the council had no plans or cash to do anything themselves hence the head scratching as to why and how they took the stance they did. The same council moved heaven and earth to attract Siemens here.

 

Again, I do believe you have replied to another poster. Which position do you think I am particularly entrenched in?

 

No, no, the development of the docks to facilitate Siemens is not really a valid argument set against the development of the land surrounding the KC.

 

Considering youre jumping on my reply to highpeak - a similar positon to him.

 

There seem to be plenty of statements disagreeing, but not many substantive arguments.

Why is one area of potential development different to another? Genuinely asking. I have no view on siemens.

 

One is a successful international company, providing engineering employment opportunities in a city desperately in need of them. The other is leisure and retail which, going by the other thread on this board is, shall we say, not very successful.

 

I can understand those people not wanting to go to the ground, buy merchandise etc as that would be putting money in the owners pockets. And I guess the more people do that you may be able to force them out.
I get that.
What I can’t understand is why those supporters don’t go to away games (Cup games apart) and support team.

 

Explain why ?
The council funded access roads and gave land away to accommodate Siemens on the argument that it would create jobs. The development of the land surrounding the KC would have also have created jobs and probably encouraged outside investment into the area.
The council have built on park land in other parts of the city. Land donated to the people of Hull by benefactors years ago.
The council are allowing HKR to buy their stadium and develop the land around it so they can generate more income.
But there was a reluctance to work with anyone to develop the stadium and surrounding land. Even Sir Adam was knocked back by them. So why is West Park so special ? Especially as it is smack bang in the middle of HU3, one of the most deprived areas in Britain with one of the highest unemployment rates ?

 

We have both seen the map of what exactly comprises the stadium and it's environ. The same map excludes West Park and the annually used fair ground. If those were included in any deal, then yes maybe it would be a viable site for development and change of use. Without those two tracts, two portakabins and you have filled it.

 

Isn't St Stephens leisure and retail? Seems to have been successful.

Something needs to be done in that part of town to drive regeneration - have you seen Anlaby Rd recently?

Theres plenty of places that sporting facilities and associated retail developments have been successful. Just depends how its implemented and whether there is political will or not. Theres no absolute guarantee of success, but no guarantee it would fail either - and those developments do create jobs as well.

It wasnt just Allam wanting to develp the stadium Area. Pearson wanted a hotel and casino complex attached. Was he a money grabbing fool also?

 

So basically the council decided that an annual travelling fair on a bit of apparent wasteland 11 1/2 months of the year was better for the economy than a permanent development with potential to attract investment to a pretty deprived and shabby area?

 

Sir Adam wanted an hotel and casino behind the South Stand, the council knocked it back claiming it would detract from the hotels we all ready have. The Allams plans were a bit sketchy ( as were the councils excuses) and comprised mostly leisure and retail plus a swimming pool. The pool idea was scoffed at because Geraghty said we already have one down Albert Avenue. 10 years later Albert Avenue Baths are still not operating fully and the cost to the public purse just to get the lido open is upwards of £7m and rising.
The retail idea wasn't taken seriously because it would effect the city centre. 10 years on the city centre has been effected but not by anything built in HU3.
I can see no reason why parts of the Park couldn't be used like it is to park caravans and huge lorries on when the Fair rolls into town.
Which brings in the fair ground, used one week a year for a travelling fair and twice a week for a car boot sale which is dying on its feet. It's that really the best use the council can come up with for a vast amount of land in the middle of the city ?

 

Stop it now. You give me St Stephens, I raise you Whitefriargate. Your call.

That does seem to be the gist of it.

 

We are agreed then, that without West Park or the fair ground, it is not really viable?