Is Joelinton basically just a £40m Shola Ameobi?

Scoring record in Austria -

33 - 8
27 - 7...

In ****ing Austria....

Similar scoring record to Shola in the PL, if not worse.

2019-2020 - 38 apps - 2 goals (Played EVERY game. Let that sink in)
2020-2021 - 31 apps - 4 goals
2021-2022 - 7 apps - 0 goals.

You cannot argue he's not been given a good enough opportunity. Don't give me this **** about "a bad team around him". My ass. He's been played in different positions to give him every opportunity to prove himself, and clearly simply lacks the ****ing quality.

The only real positive I see in him, and the only reason to play him, is because he's a decent target man and can bring others into the game.

So basically Shola. Big and strong, can win and control a ball and spread it about in the final third. But that's about it.

 

A crock of ****.

 

He's not a goalscorer so focusing on that stat is unfair.

He's been one of our better players recently.

He's probably out of his depth, but I'm keen to see if he can play on a side that plays on the floor.

He doesn't look a target man to me, but that's because brasil like to play football.

 

If we develop a side that plays on the floor, I'd hope we'd have better players than him at our disposal.

And I don't agree with "he's not a goal scorer" thing. He was initially played as a striker and expected to score goals.

And besides that, he doesn't really prove that much anyway. He isn't a great dribbler, he doesn't pass or cross the ball with any great degree of quality.

The only good I see is when he plays in a Shola like role and holds the ball up and distributes it, that's it.

There's not a single other thing he does that well.

 

For all you know he'll shine in a side that passes and moves on the floor.

I've seen him do some neat work and he's capable of nice passes and through balls..

We play boot and run and he's never had to play that kind of crap in his life until he came here.

 

I can tell you right away that even now he's much better than Ryan Fraser

 

Still a crock of ****

 

If we play him as a lone striker, he's ****ing useless, goals aren't his game, simple as that.

But in no 10 role, or supporting strikers, he's had some really good games, clearly has strength and skill and can hold the ball up well and bring others in. He ain't worth £40m in a million years, but he's not dogshit, just play him in the right place. Oh yeah and he puts in a helluva lot more effort than the majority of our wasters.

 

It took Manquillo years to get over a dreadful start in English football and I think Joelinton is going to have great difficultly ever being judged on what he is rather than what the idiots paid for him

He's definitely not been our worst player.. He can do a job and there's worse players in our squad and probably will be for at least 2 or 3 windows.

I think he'll maybe do better in the right side playing a different way


We've seen a few players go onto be very good elsewhere and it's imo because we've had crap managers and crap coaching.

 

We'll see. But I wouldn't bet on it.

 

It's unlikely any of our squad will be in our 1st 11 within 5 years. . Maybe max.

 

The problem for Joelinton is that he's always going to be judged by that £40m price tag, which is unfair - we were stupid enough to pay that amount for a relatively unknown player. Instead of trying to put a value on him, he needs to be assessed by his contribution to the team, which is generally good. He's had a load of **** games, granted, but people constantly going on about him costing £40m and him never scoring clearly doesn't help his confidence ; he's not an out and out goalscorer and there is a decent player in there if played in the right place and couched correctly.

Manquillo at least had the benefit of being in the Prem for a few years before he came to us and was able to adjust.

 

Been doing really well lately. Been our most effective attacking player behind Wilson. Even ASM hasn't been as effective of late. You lost me at the Shola comparison, one is a striker and one is a wide forward. Not worth 40m, never will be. But I've forgotten the price tag now, he's a useful squad player until we sign better players.

He is one I do think will benefit from some better coaching, but I think we just have to accept we got royally ****ed on the 40m and make the best of him.

 

He doesn't seem to do anything but hold the ball up and pass it about. I agree he's had his good performances, but I literally believe he's just an attacking midfield version of Shola.

And what Joelintons best position is is debatable.

 

He's not even worth 10m.

 

What does Hayden do?

 

Not much.

 

That's kinda the problem, we've gotta stop trying to place a value on him, and think about what he actually does - which can actually be very decent.

If we're going down that route, then Shelvey isn't worth a quid.

 

Maybe you're right. But I don't see much value in him at all really. He has a decent game every now and then where he holds the ball up and passes it about ok, but overall he doesn't do anything special.

Going forward he's a squad player until we get better. I would never bet on him becoming a great player.

 

No. Big Joe isn't a striker so it's an unfair comparison. Play him where he's played everywhere else and he's good. I'd like to see him under a competent coach