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West Ham, really? On what criteria?

 

they won the World Cup in 1966 don’t ya know

 

Everton historically have more silverware, but when almost three decades have past since the last I’d argue that becomes a bit irrelevant, they have been fairly level over recent seasons, but West Ham definitely have the larger fan base and reach.

Definitely could say Everton were once the bigger side, but right now that is just history.

 

West Ham have literally never won the league though whereas Everton have won it more than all bar 3 clubs. History is still relevant imo especially when the difference is so stark (you're not comparing Saints to Bury for example).

Everton also have spent almost double the amount of seasons in the top flight than West Ham (and more than any other club for that matter).

I'd dispute the fanbase thing too. Don't Everton have 15-20k on a waiting list? Only recently have West Ham had bigger crowds and they have the advantage of London tourists and dirt cheap ST's cos of free ground.


Edit - Funny thing perception I suppose as to me West Ham are the top club for fans overrating their relevance!

 

Tbf I don’t want to assume ages, but I missed the era of Everton’s success so to me they have been pretty close to each other (bar West Ham’s brief episodes in the Championship) for most of my life, there is more success in Everton’s history but West Ham still have a reasonable enough trophy yield.

Fan wise I just can’t imagine Everton are even remotely near the volume of West Ham, but that’s not based on much other than the what I assume to be the clubs respective catchment areas and the number of fans I have encountered of each club.

Everton were just a bit of a nothing club to me growing up, I guess that impression has stuck. Their arrogance when they nabbed Koeman really caught me by surprise.

 

Second longest standing team in the top flight - yes please!!

 

I think we're a similar age judging by this to be fair!

I just don't see it. Everton have more success, more recently, and even in the past 20 years have performed better overall (qualified for Europe a couple of times each but Hammers two relegations).

I agree Everton have been a bit nothing in our time but so have West Ham but they have the London club element and the media bias which comes with it.

We'll have to agree to disagree on fanbase. Think Everton will sell out their 60k stadium easier than West Ham do, indeed many West Ham fans think that was far too big for them judging by comments on KUMB a few years back.

Out of interest where do you rank Leicester in terms of all the Midlands clubs? Won the most comfortably in recent times, and have a bigger worldwide reach cos of it, but I'd still put them below Villa & Forest for sure and arguably Wolves too.

 

Let's just relegate the 3 longest serving each season.

Arsenal, Everton, and Liverpool this year.

United, Spurs and ??? next season.


Would get my vote!

 

Bit of a balancing act tbh, obviously Forest have the more significant history but I see them as a similar size club to Leicester.

I see Villa as absolutely huge in comparison to both, but again I think that is perception of catchment more than anything and they were a much bigger challenge in the late 90s when I got into football.

I think history is important, but stadium, attendance, location and recent performance seem to influence my impression of club size more than their achievements that mostly occurred before I was born (with the exception of Leicester but that was such a freak occurance that it didn’t really change my perception of them).

I think Forest is a good example, I think they have a fantastic history, but I see them as a pretty average club in the modern day, not that far from how I see Saints.

On a sidenote we moved from Leicester to Southampton when I was 2, what could have been

 

Fair one. Agree with pretty much all of that and definitely that Villa are miles ahead of others.

Though interestingly I always saw Villa and Everton as fairly similar and up until a decade or so ago would have probably ranked both above Spurs. Only two of Villas trophies are recent ish (80s) too I think bar a league cup maybe?

I don't think history is everything and especially older stuff, like I don't give Preston much kudos for their league titles in the 19th century. But if you've won stuff in living memory for many people then I think that's pretty relevant personally.

On your last point but then you'd have to had to support a team in blue and nobody wants that!

 

Huddersfield are massive

 

Isn't this the Spanish player who idolized Matt le Tiss?

https://www.90min.com/posts/isco-offered-to-premier-league-clubs-after-union-berlin-talks-collapse

 

Xavi.

 

I'm really struggling to understand how they got these guys to sign for us. Bottom of the league, a knob manager and train wreck football. Who wouldn't want to be in for that!

The elephant in the room of course, what do we expect new players to do when players that have been here all season still don't know what they are supposed to do? I have no clue what we are trying to do now apart from lob it onto Tall Paul's head and 'defend better'.

I can only imagine Jones sat them down and said 'what do you think your best position is? Ok, lets go with that.' In spanish of course cos he's been abroad has our Nat and learned tiki taka or something.

 

He was such an odd signing. At the time it made sense when we thought we would only be spending big on a striker, but if we had the budget for Sulemana then Orsic was a weird one.

 

Yeah doesn’t fit at all with what we normally go for profile wise. Only logic I can see was that he was relatively cheap and SR were hoping that we could turn it around with what we already had + a cheap signing. Then when results were still **** they realised they had to spend more on the attacking roles later on in the window

 

The saving grace I imagine is that we could probably recoup the money that we spent on orsic. Sadly, this is just another Carillo style signing.. But was cheap enough that it won't be a issue.

 

I’m not writing him off yet.

If selles can get Bednarek and AMN playing like this, then who knows what he can get out of Orsic

 

Way too early to write him off imo. None of our ‘wingers’ score goals, but Orsic has a decent record for goal scoring in Croatia, in European competitions and on the International stage. He’s got off to a poor start here which is a shame as I think he was brought in to have an instant impact given his age and experience in the game. However he was also playing in NJ disaster-class teams with unfamiliar roles. And let’s face it, he’s not played enough to say he won’t cut it in the PL. I was hoping it was just a falling out with Jones with our Croats tbh, so disappointed to see that there’s more to it, but still hopeful they can turn it around.

 

Agree. I don’t think I’ve seen enough of him to make an assessment. Makes me think there’s an attitude problem.