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Rangers reject Edu bid

Discussion in 'Rangers' started by Otto Flayshow, Jan 5, 2012.

  1. DevAdvocate

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    So how exactly should the SFA have helped you without disadvantaging others?

    Please, do go on this will be fascinating.
     
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  2. Girvan Loyal 1690

    Girvan Loyal 1690 Nobody's safe now

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    notice harry has nothing to say about the biased SFA
     
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  3. DevAdvocate

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    Biased against Rangers you mean?

    I don't see how, the SFA gave Rangers an unprecedented extension to the league season and wanted QoS to wait for 3 weeks after their season had ended before playing the Cup final. They offered this to Rangers but did not bother asking QoS.
     
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  4. Go G YellowScreen

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    How were you badly treated? If you had been given more time how would this have affected the result?

    Playing with 10 men camped in your own half for 90 minutes wasn't going to change because you got an extra 24 hours to rest.
     
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    This is a fair summary with all the salient points.


    In order for the SPL to extend the league to enable rangers to not play four games in eight days every team in the top six at least would have to postpone their games to the same day as rangers in order for it to be fair in terms of final league position. If Rangers draw another game and the league was to go down to goal difference but Celtic had played their final game a week prior to Rangers final game Rangers would know exactly how many they would need to score in order to win the league which is an unfair advantage, having all the final games at the same time means each team is going in blind to other results and will not know exactly what is needed in order to win the final league position. With both

    Dundee united and Aberdeen fighting for the third spot on the SPL in order to play European football next season it would also be unfair for either Aberdeen or Dundee united to know going into their final game that perhaps a draw would be all they need to secure European football it would almost defiantly affect the final game of the season.

    It is unfair to ask Rangers to play four games in eight days but the SPL have to look at the interests of all who are affected by a postponement. Aberdeen, Celtic, Dundee United, Hibernian and Motherwell would also be going between eleven and fourteen day’s without a game which will affect moral, current form and match sharpness. The obvious solution to this would be playing a bounce game with the reserves but why should they risk injury and ultimately possibly European football/ league title in order to help another team?

    Extending the league works in theory if it only affects one or two teams but affecting six teams minimum in order to help one team is just bizarre so late in the season. There is a small matter of the Euro 2008 championships coming up and while all the rangers players might be more interested in securing title number 52 and even more excitingly the possibility of being only the second club ever to win the quadruple. Players from different teams do not share the same exciting prospect and might find attempting to secure a spot in their countries national team more important than helping a club they do not play for enter the record books. This obviously leaves teams in the top six worried as their players might either want to, or have to play international football and therefore would not be able to play in the last league game of the season.

    If it was possible to extend the season with no snags then in order to help Scottish football I don’t doubt that the SPL would do it with out being asked. But is it really fair to ask five other teams to play with a weakened squad due to international call-ups – with most teams who are playing in euro 2008 having international friendlies, Greece Netherlands and Poland to name but a few which would severely hinder Rangers rivals in order to win the league. Or perhaps asked to play with players who are not 100% match sharp after being fourteen days without a game?

    Whilst its unfair to be unable to help Rangers in their quest for the quad it is also unfair to ask five other teams to possibly play with weaker squads in order to help Rangers win the “quad.” Lets not forget that there are players like Kris Boyd and Alan Gow who are match fit and are simply not getting a game when Walter claims that his squad is tired. Rangers also knew that they would be in Europe after Christmas yet still sold their star player Allan Hutton and failed to replace him properly. Rangers were given £9 million for Hutton - a young player who at this stage in the season would still be running up the line faster than anyone else in the league and rather than replace him and strengthen the squad in January they thought either that they would be out of Europe or that they’d be fine with out him. That was a mistake by rangers and they now expect the SPL and the other top five teams to help them out. Why should they?
     
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    how do you know?

    it worked all the way to the final. we just ran out of gas.
     
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    Because I remember the QoS chairman doing his dinger at a deal being done behind their back.
     
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  8. Go G YellowScreen

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    I know because that was Wally's tactics.

    If you did run out of gas it was because Walter kept playing the same players every week rather than giving them a rest. Even in League and Scottish cup ties it was more or less the same starting XI regardless of how ****e the opposition were.
     
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    I can't believe this is being discussed again, 606 all over again.

    **** it I'm away to smoke a joint, laters losers.
     
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    Phil O'Donnell-gate was a big factor aswell and you fine well know it.

    disgraceful
     
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    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-179216251.html

    QUEEN OF THE SOUTH defender Andy Aitken last night accused the SFA ofshowing a lack of respect for the First Division club.

    SFA president George Peat was keen to grant Rangers more time for their UEFACup Final preparations by moving the Scottish Cup Final to a Wednesday night.The plan was torpedoed, however, when the SPL refused to move any more fixtures around. Angry that the governing body were willing to shunt Queen of the South and their supporters to facilitate Rangers in the first place, Dumfries-born Aitkenbelieves the final was in danger of becoming a farce.…
     
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  12. DevAdvocate

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    Because your argument is in tatters no doubt.
     
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  13. harryhood67

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    I've already said my bit , the season came a farce , when Rangers lied to sfa claiming Lyon had their French game cancelled when they hadn't , in other words rangers **it themselves to play Gretna. Maybe these two teams might be in a quiz answer in a couple of years !! I also said how could the season get ANOTHER extension ,some of our players had to join up with their countries the Monday after the cup final for euro 2008
     
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    Like his arse after a night out!
     
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    Your argument was in tatters when you brought Middlesbrough into the fold, correct me if I'm wrong but Middlesbrough where not challenging for 4 competitions.
     
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    Postpone for Phil but not for Tommy surely has to be mentioned here?
     
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    Tour of Japan, game postponed because of Phil O'Donnell's death. Rangers looked the better side all season and that's why Celtic used these tactics. The SPL did little to help us out but that's up to them.

    We stayed in Blackpool and got the train in to Manchester, it was like a train to Auschwitz, you could barely move (though I imagine the mood was a little cheerier) Mate up with a few mates done drink run and then went into Picadilly gardens about 11am. By 5 I was absolutely thrashed, boozing out in the sun for so long and I just wanted the match to start.

    You could see the mood changing and more and more fights breaking out. When the screen broke I though **** this I wanna watch the match, so we walked round to the big screen in the cathedral quater (i think) got round there to see the end of the 1st half.

    Had to walk into the city centre after the game and the place was wild. I remember having a go at some fella for throwing bottles at the riot police, pointed out that the TV cameras were on him and he was only hurting the reputation of our club but he didn't seem that bothered so walked on. Hopefully he got a clubbing.
     
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  18. Go G YellowScreen

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but Rangers lied to the SFA saying Lyon's game against Caen was called off when it wasn't - Lyon later got the game cancelled as a result - this was to prevent Rangers playing a whole two games in a week.

    Considering Rangers had previously knocked back requests from Hearts and Celtic to move games in more compelling circumstances, you reaped what you sowed(sp) - and that's before we get into the games cancelled because of the state of the Ibrox pitch.

    But naw, you're right, Rangers were harshly treated that year because of Phil O'Donnell <couldnaemakethisshitup>
     
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  20. harryhood67

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    Talking of cancelling games for help in Europe , always remember Hearts allowed Rangers to call a game off to help Rangers in advance of a European game , three years later Hearts ask Rangers to call off a game same reason , Rangers refused, Yet Hearts fans still love Rangers !! Nothing surprises you in Scottish football
     
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