Off Topic UK / EU Future

Exactly - the people want brexit - let's give them a good Norway brexit. Suits most people. Viva the will of the people - not a Tory minority faction.

 

The majority that voted for Brexit will not accept continuation of uncontrolled immigration. There is no evidence that the 'people' want a Norway type surrender.

 

No, but there has been plenty of research into why the UK voted to leave the EU. This was enough for the PM to produce her red lines.

 

And the latest research shows that 54% would remain and 46% leave now that they know what is in store for the country. 17% believe that the PM with her red lines will produce a good result. Says it all.

 

There is no evidence that the majority who voted for brexit will not accept continuation of uncontrolled mmigration.
There is plenty of logic to suggest a Norway brexit will appeal most to "the people". Do I need to give you the maths? 48% want to stay in the EU - the Norway model is closest to that so would have the support of the vast majority of them (they clearly are not concerned about your fears re immigration) That means that only 2% of those who voted brexit would need to prefer the Norway model to make it the winner. QED

 

Is this the last of a long line of barriers to a proper Brexit. The rest have failed, this is probably also doomed.

 

The only poll that mattered was the referendum that you lost.

 

The UK tourist Board has announced record numbers of visitors to Britain. The weather has probably also encouraged many Brits to have a staycation rather than go abroad. We should however bear in mind that many EU countries are seriously struggling and need our support to prevent the horrendous levels of unemployment in those countries to actually get worse.

As the UK has almost full employment we can send a few jobs over as well, who says we don't like foreigners?

 

Despite people on here trying to show you what you call a proper Brexit exists in your head only, you still haven't twigged yet what they are saying. There is no such thing as a proper Brexit as it means different things to different people. Many believed, because they were told so, that the UK would stay in the single market and it would mean continued seamless trade. Farage and even Davis suggested that the Norway model would serve the country well. Sorry, but if you cannot see that it means hundreds of different things, then you are deluding yourself. Strip out different views and you have a minority in favour of what you would like to see.

 

To be honest a 'Norway' brexit could not possibly have any appeal to Brexiters, how could it ? It means everything remains as before just with no voting rights. It would be a 'Brexit' which satisfies the referendum result, but nothing more than that ie. on paper only. However, this 'Norway' model may just buy Britain the time it needs, because it is not a final resting place - there is nothing officially stating how long a 'Norway' model would have to last, and so it could be used by both sides as a kind of halfway house preceding either a full hard Brexit or a return to full EU. status depending on how opinion develops in future. At any rate it wins Britain time.

 

Exactly cologne. David Davis suggested just that when he was in charge of negotiations.

 

I'm afraid you are deluding yourself if you cannot accept the main reasons why the UK voted to leave the EU. There have been numerous polls and they all say the same things. You can attempt to muddy the waters but in most Brexiteers minds they are clear on their preferences. A dodgy Norway deal is not one of them.

 

Meanwhile the hapless Macron's popularity has dropped another 5 % to 27%. It was never expected he would match Hollande's unpopularity so quickly. No wonder Le Figaro called his tenure a 'Macron mirage'.

 

And the desperate May goes along to plead with him to help her out of the mess she has got herself into.

 

Laurel and Hardy!!

 

While the UK still flaps around trying to sort out what it wants from a deal, the EU has just got on with preparing for a no deal situation. There has already been an increase in direct goods traffic since the referendum between Ireland and France/Spain to cut out the need to transport exports through the UK. Now they have agreed to provide funding to Belgium and Holland to increase capacity at their ports so they can have direct services from Ireland into the EU cutting out the delays that are bound to occur at UK ports. Any split loads that arrive at Rotterdam for example from outside the EU will have goods unloaded there if they are to stay in the EU, then the remaining cargo will be sent onto France for a later transport to the UK. The whole plan makes a lot of sense when you see how it is all integrated from the Med to Dublin. All of this planning and expenditure is based on a no deal situation, and makes the UK plans to stack lorries on the motorway look very much like a poor relation.

 

Mon dieu!! The French have kicked up a storm because the EU have decided to completely bypass all of the French ports from post-Brexit trade routes. It is unsure whether this is due to higher labour costs or unreliability issues due to the history of strikes / ongoing industrial action against the current French government. The Commission received multiple requests from French ports and six of the seven responses said the route should be through France but decided against all.

Maybe those French workers who have frequently resorted to industrial action will have time to consider the consequences of their selfish option to damage day to day business.

 

It is becoming obvious that the EU's intransigence over the Brexit negotiations is making a hard border in Ireland a reality. This will be erected by the EU at their insistence, not by the UK government.

 

As usual you have failed to pick up what this is actually about. The EU are making advanced plans to prevent having to see their trade brought to a standstill by routing it through the UK. What is happening in the UK? The PM is still desperately trying to get her own party on board with little success. The notices to tell business how to prepare for the chaos have been pulled. Instead of trying to find flaws in EU plans which are of little interest to you, why are you not trying to suggest means by which the UK will not be so isolated? I am sure that even you can see that the UK is totally unprepared.

 

I fully understand the EU is making plans post Brexit, the interesting bit is they don't trust the French ports as an alternative.

Due to years of industrial action by French unions the UK authorities are extremely well practiced in handling delays at Calais. Most of the UK's trade has nothing to do with the EU, this is bound to rapidly increase.