Off Topic The Politics Thread

Wow - you don't think, in that context, that your attitude towards the border is just a little flippant?

 

Also, you don't need to actually be somewhere/go somewhere to understand things. Likewise just because you come from somewhere doesn't mean you are automatically an expert on the subject. I was born in London and know nothing about the Tower of London other than it has the Crown Jewels and they chopped peoples heads off there. I wasn't at Aushwitzs in 1944 but I have enough information about what happened.

 

I quite agree. However, I also believe from personal experience, that visiting somewhere can deepen and enhance one's understanding and perspective. I certainly have found that my visits to the likes of Auschwitz and Belfast helped me to better understand the socio-political context of the respective histories.

To flip your point on its head, I think it is easier not to understand certain histories without visiting the geography in question. Seeing the bullet holes can force people to confront realities they might not in a textbook.

 

I wasn't a soldier.
And no, not flippant. Haven't times changed since then? Do the young people, who many of which claim to be European want to return to those old days over extra customs stuff? I may not fully understand the troubles but I don't think it is fair that we are dismissed because we are not Irish.

 

Agree only last week I visited the war graves at the Somme and it really did bring things home. I was out in Belfast long before the Good Friday agreement. I remember watching the army vehicles/paintings on walls/segregated areas. I saw all of that. That was not my point....Have people not moved on from then? It's not as if the Army will return. They are talking about new tech and discrete checks on lorries and goods...Is that really going to make people pick up arms and bombs?

 

I understand the question, and don't think you shouldn't have a voice unless you are Irish etc. You're absolutely entitled to ask questions.

I think a lot of the concern comes down to the fact that IRA bombings were taking place right the way up until 2001, and that this is extremely recent history. The peace process wasn't simple, and the peace is fragile - a look at recent Northern Irish Government paralysis shows just how fragile it is. It's easy to take peace for granted, and there are many examples across Europe, beyond Ireland/Northern Ireland, that show how quickly such disputes can lead to violence (see Catalan bombings in Barcelona, 2017).

I hope that you are right, and that people truly have moved on, and that checks at the border would not lead to any violence. However, while I hope you're correct, taking action which could risk that peace requires, to my mind at least, a great degree of confidence, and evidence, that there would be no negative impact, and no risk to life. Such a decision can't be based on hope, or assumptions. It's not a confidence I (or very many others) yet have, and as such, not a gamble many are willing to take.

 

Have you been up all night thinking of that one? You never disappoint Ellers

 

And you Still know **** all !! Ha ha

 

Then you have no excuse

 

He hasn't got a Scooby apart from whatever some random geezer on the radio tells him.

 

Ellers, every comment you make about NI just highlights how little you know. You’re right in saying that a person doesn’t have to be from somewhere or visit somewhere to have knowledge about it. But personal experience gives people increased insight.
Free trade is the priority for the UK, and rightly so. No hard border is the priority for the Irish and rightly so. So many people just didn’t understand how complex the NI border issue is. They do now.
There won’t be just a simple technological solution or discreet checks to solve the Border issue. Nothing that’s currently in use ANYWHERE in the world meets EU regulations. A hard border will mean police (RUC) and this is a red rag to extremists who unfortunately haven’t gone away. Once the shootings and bombings resume and they will, then the military will be brought in for protection and then history will repeat itself.
Britain has got what it wanted but doesn’t want what it has got.

 

So I didn't see the armyvehicles/paintings on walls/segregated areas? So you don't already have border checks on goods? You don't think that people should move on or that, as stated, we are probably your biggest partner through trade?

So according to you every comment I make about Ireland shows how little I know? Such a patronising stance. Yet you tell us you "sat back for the last four months" do you think you are on some higher level than anyone else?
Yet because you are Irish none of us understand? I agree, you probably know a lot more about Ireland than I ever will but to treat people as if they are cluless because they are not some how on the front line is disdainful.

You may know cr2p about anything!
In fact your comments reminded me of a line from the film Die Hard
"Jesus Christ, Powell, he could be a ****ing bartender for all we know".

 

No Ellers
I’m just pulling you up every time you talk ****e.

No point in responding to you anymore. Waste of time.

 

Sweet baby Jesus of nazareth!! You wouldn't have time in the day to pull him every time he talks ****e!

 

I can see why there are problems in the World when people don't like to hear another veiw, they don't respond. That's fine fella.

 

Give it a rest Ellers. You got pulled for not knowing what you're talking about, simple as that, just accept it, man up and move on!

 

bob it is evident from your 'likes' of posts against what I say and your responses about me that your facade has well and truly fallen off. I said all along that you were a 'remoaner' and you tried to pretend you didn't have a clue and just wanted to know. sad really.
When someone tells me that they didn't vote because they didn't understand "leave" or "Remain" it really does say a lot.

 

Simple ...if you don't like don't respond. As for not knowing what I am talking about..I think you will find that over this politics thread I have been spot on about a lot of the stuff... Leaving the EU... Trump elected...Poison attack in UK from Russia... All the project fear cr2p and much more...What have you contributed Mate? A few 'likes' and few ridiculous remarks. Then again you didn't understand did you?

 

I'm actually beginning to realise that I understood a lot more than you! You get called out every day for your misinformation. You are hugely entertaining. A bit like Basil Fawlty ha ha

 

Anyway enough of that island across the water that you know so much about Ellers.
Anymore resignations today?, is the Maybot going?