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Josh Tymon speaks out

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  1. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/hull-city-prodigy-josh-tymon-2893271


    Josh Tymon opens up on doubts about Hull City exit and Stoke City frustrations

    The left-back was once considered City's most talented academy graduate in a generation
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    Philip Buckingham
    • 04:00, 22 MAY 2019
    SPORT
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    Former Hull City defender Josh Tymon, who celebrates his 20th birthday today, back on Hull marina (Image: Peter Harbour)
    On his final day as a teenager Josh Tymon is in reflective mood back in the sunshine of his home city.

    The youngster’s career has not gone to plan since he opted to leave Hull City as an 18-year-old two summers ago and he does not pretend otherwise.


    A first season with Stoke City ended in relegation from the Premier League and a second has just concluded with Tymon enjoying only 43 minutes of Championship action.

    All the while he has seen friends and former team-mates excelling at the club he reluctantly walked away from in 2017.

    Jarrod Bowen, Robbie McKenzie and Dan Batty all used to be team-mates in City’s under-23s and each has made more appearances this season than Tymon has managed in his last two.

    “I’ll be honest and this past season I’ve wondered if that could have been me playing every week,” said Tymon, who celebrates his 20th birthday today.


    “The last two years haven’t worked out how I wanted them to so it’s only natural to wonder if you’ve done the right thing.”


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    Josh Tymon was lured away from Hull City in 2017 when joining Stoke City on a five-year deal
    It is two years ago this week that Tymon made his 14th and final appearance for the Tigers.

    The 7-1 defeat at home to Tottenham was a chastening experience as City bid farewell to the Premier League but it did little to dampen the interest in a young left-back who had made his senior debut a few months after leaving Malet Lambert High School.

    Stoke eventually persuaded Tymon to head to the Bet365 Stadium once City’s offer of a first professional contract was turned down but that pivotal decision has gradually begun to appear flawed.

    Despite making three Premier League appearances under Mark Hughes, the most football Tymon has played since leaving the Tigers was out on loan with a MK Dons side relegated to League Two last season.

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    “It’s easy to look back and ask if you did the right thing but the decision to leave was made thinking it would be the best step for my career,” he said.

    “I’ve just got to look at trying to play 40-50 games next season. Wherever that is I couldn’t tell you but that’s got to be my aim.

    “I’ve got to do that for myself. I’ve said to my Dad already that I can’t have another season like the one that’s just ended or I’ll be mentally finished I think. I’ve had a bad year this year and I have to come back from it.”

    Tymon, by his own admission, has started to doubt himself inside the last 12 months. Gary Rowett showed no interest in the left-back until his sacking as Stoke boss in January and the only start under Nathan Jones saw Tymon replaced before half-time.


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    Josh Tymon, followed by Bournemouth's David Brooks, walks out to play for England against Scotland at the Toulon Tournament in June 2017
    That is a far cry from the days of playing alongside Phil Foden, Callum Hudson-Odoi and Harvey Barnes in the England youth ranks, or when helping City to come within a whisker of the EFL Cup final when narrowly beaten by Manchester United.

    “This season has been the first time since I’ve been playing football when I’ve looked at it and wondered if I wanted to do something else with my life here. Is it going to work out?” said Tymon.

    “I was very lucky and I thank previous managers at Hull City for the chances they gave me. There aren’t many 16-year-olds that get the opportunity to play senior football.

    “I was breaking records for Hull and I was proud to do that with my hometown club.

    “I loved playing and being the kid from Hull in the first team. I never got carried away with it but it was a nice feeling. That’s something I do miss.

    “When you get a taste for it that early you know what a brilliant game it is but you can just as easily go from being on cloud nine to wondering what’s next. I’ve just got to stick at it and keep believing in my ability.”


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    Josh Tymon up against Manchester United's Jesse Lingard in the EFL Cup semi-final
    If Tymon loved life with City, the club he first joined as a 13-year-old, it begs the question why he chose to leave.

    Two offers were made for the left-back to turn a £180-a-week scholarship into a first professional contract but in the wake of City’s relegation to the Championship he opted to stay in the Premier League with Stoke.

    “No hard feelings but I personally feel it was the wrong decision from him,” said City’s vice chairman Ehab Allam a few months later.

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    “On the day it got announced I was leaving it was all over Twitter that I was chasing the money and all that,” said Tymon.

    “I left because I saw it as a good opportunity to play at the top level. I didn’t want to leave in a lot of ways because I was happy living at home but it was a good chance to mature and grow up. Experience new things in life.

    “I’ll not go into too much detail but I was advised what to do and I went with that.

    “I’m not going to slate the club or anything like that. At the time it felt like the right move for me and my career.”


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    Stoke City's Josh Tymon during the warm-up before the Premier League match at St James' Park, Newcastle.(Image: PA)
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    Tymon does not like the assumption that his decision to leave City was financially motivated.

    “People are going to have their opinions but I’ve never been driven by money, I’m still not to this day,” he said.

    “I’ve always tried to make money to help my mum and dad at the end of the day. I’ve seen the ridiculous hours they did in their jobs over the years to help me, my brother and my sister.

    “I’ve just wanted to help them. My Dad always told me that the money would come in time so the biggest thing for me has always been just to play football. It wasn’t a move I made for the money.

    “I’m from one of the less fortunate places in the city so for me it’s always been about working hard to get the rewards.”

    No matter what comes next for Tymon, he will always cherish the special moments that came with City.

    The rookie who started out with Pelican United in the Hull Sunday Boys’ League became City’s youngest player in a generation when starting the FA Cup fourth round tie at Bury when aged only 16 years and 257 days. Three weeks later he was part of a City side that drew 0-0 away to Arsenal to force a fifth-round replay.


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    Josh Tymon made his Hull City debut aged 16 years and 257 days in the FA Cup fourth round tie away to Bury
    A Premier League debut followed in November 2016 when Tymon became the first academy graduate to start a league fixture in almost five years. After starting both legs of the EFL Cup semi-final loss to Manchester United under Marco Silva, he was also part of a team that earned City’s first ever point at Old Trafford in February 2017.

    “Those were the best moments of my life. They still are,” said Tymon. “I was playing for my hometown club in front of big crowds, like at Arsenal and Manchester United. It doesn’t get better than that. The best memories I’ve had in football so far.

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    “I can understand why supporters were disappointed because they want to see the local lads in the first team. Sometimes you’ve got to take chances in life and football is similar.”

    Tymon at least has time to realign a stalled career. Another three years remain on his Stoke contract but the defender will not be afraid to seek a fresh challenge if chances continue to be limited in the Potteries.

    “I’ve got my Dad and my agent telling me all the time that I’ve got plenty of years left ahead of me and they’re right,” he said. “There’s young English players my age that might not have played a first team game yet so I’ve got to look at it that way.

    “But I’ve set the standards for myself and I wanted to continue them. I just want to get back to playing football.”
     
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  2. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Offer to pay 180 quid of his wages to take him on loan
    Nah **** him
     
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  3. GLP

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    Ooh that’s a surprise Josh :emoticon-0126-nerd::emoticon-0126-nerd::emoticon-0126-nerd:
     
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    Few times he mentions them but it seems the people he’s listening to are not exactly helping. They’re the same people that advised him to go.
     
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  5. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    I saw a lot of him playing for the U23's where he stood out, but mainly because he was big for his age. Unlike Robbo, his crossing IMO was not that good, so it doesn't surprise me that he has struggled a bit once he got older.

    I would say footballing wise he made a mistake moving, financially he benefited in the short term. I think he realises that now.
     
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  6. NaNaNa

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    To be fair to the lad it takes a fair bit of awareness to speak as frankly as he has here.
     
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    He’s only got another 3 years left to honour.
     
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  8. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    Financially it was a great deal for him, but to have played very little first-team football in 2 years is not what he expected. It looks as if he will have to be loaned out somewhere to get any game time, as so far neither Lambert, Rowett or Jones feel he is good enough for first team football.
     
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    It was a very bad move. It’s a career ending type of move.
     
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    Nice to see him showing some contrition for his mistake, still a Hull lad.
     
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  11. Brabs

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    Understandably he's not happy where he is at the moment. I'm sure he did what he thought was best at the time and had been advised to do. He's not a villainous character, just a young lad lured with promises of wealth and success.
     
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    Phil Buckingham calls it right .........

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    I’m sure there’ll still be people who knock him for leaving City but he was offered a five-year deal at a seemingly stable Premier League club with the promise of playing games. Incredibly hard to turn that chance down.

    TBH, although I saw him play the odd time, I don't know how good or otherwise he is. Maybe not as good as Stoke expected. But, I'd wager that with different (meaning anything like half decent) owners here, he probably would and should have stayed and likely made the LB role his own.
     
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    Yep, he’s lost too much valuable time and will never become the player he could have been. Not that he was very good anyway.

    Ehab did well out of it mind. What did he end up robbing Stoke for almost £2m?
     
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    At least he's honest. And I don't blame him for making that move at the time.

    Hindsight is 20/20.
     
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    Indeed you can’t blame him as he was offered a 5 year deal which will have been far superior to anything City were offering.
     
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    Tymon was 16 years and 253 days old when he made his debut at Bury, not 16 years and 257 days as set out in the report. Maybe the HDM uses a different calendar to the rest of us.

    I realise this a niche correction, by the way!
     
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    I agree with that.
     
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    And yet Bowen signed a deal here with these same owners and look at him now
    Maybe just maybe they don’t influence playing football
    There’s no hindsight it was a ****ing terrible move and I said it at the time
    But money money money eh
     
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    And yet Bowen signed a deal here with these same owners and look at him now
    - correct me if I am wrong, but Bowen didn't have the opportunity of a 5 yr deal at a PL club?
    Maybe just maybe they don’t influence playing football
    - many who have (and will) depart would perhaps argue otherwise
    There’s no hindsight it was a ****ing terrible move and I said it at the time
    - it was. Most on here thought so too. We needed a LB, he was doing ok for a young 'un and, with the right guidance could well have developed into the young, hungry, local lad LB that we needed (and still need). It probably wouldn't have taken a lot to get him to stay; no big wage, no transfer fee or agents fee or signing on fee for a replacement. (no need for 'deja-vu all over again' debate)
    I take it all back if the manager deemed he wasn't and wouldn't be good enough.
    But money money money eh
    - that's the Allams for you alright.
     
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  20. Brabs

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    I think it's easy to forget what it's like being 16 years old and it doesn't always work applying an older head to the same situation.
     
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