The Canadian Grand Prix Chat & Predictions

Wee talking a huge potential impact into a wall here at canada. It was basically.. oh thats odd.

 

I believe Hamilton could have passed Vettel there, Vettel was off the road and there was a clear chance if Vettel didnt let his car run towards the wall to block Hamilton. Remember he said he saw Hamilton coming. But I agree with a lot of what you said about FI racing in general or lack of it.

to be clear I want to see actual racing not tyre and fuel and engine saving modes with a deeply noncompetitive series. Last weekend for the first time all season we got a race where it might have happened. The stewards and F1 robbed us of that. The robbed hamilton of the chance to grind vettel to paste by passing him on the one track where ferrari might be quicker. I believe hamilton would have passed vettel on the more regular passing spot just as bottas passed ricciardo.

I agree...that is why I would have let the racing go on but give Vettel a grid penalty to be served at the next race, instead of robbing spectators of a great finish. That way Vettel will keep the race win, but he will still get the message that you cant drive dangerously.

 

I agree with all of what you say , but THIS group of stewards had their hands tied by a current rule .

Blame and change ( How ) the rules , not the stewards .

 

And that is what the stewards have said . He had the car under control , had he stayed like that , to the left , no problem .

They said they have evidence to prove that once he had the car under control , he moved to the right again and was looking to check where Hamilton was .



Again .




Yes it ruined a race .

Vettel put us all in this situation by cracking under pressure YET AGAIN from Hamilton .

The stewards had to be seen to apply the rules to the letter of the law .

The fact the rules are daft ( Possibly ) , does not detract from the fact they have to apply them .

** Blame the Vettel / The rules /** in that order , but NOT the stewards .

 

The problem is that whether he could control the car on not is almost irrelevant. The rule doesn't take intent in to consideration when determining an unsafe re-entry.

Yes, I'm sad they applied it as it was a bloody good scrap going on, but I loved every second of the drama.

 

And I agree....it's almost like a hand ball in football...the player doesnt always intend to handle the ball, but there is a penalty for ball handling.

And the rule in this case should have been...give Vettel the win, but carry over his penalty to the next race..maybe 5 place grid penalty. I dont think anyone would have objected to that.

 

If Hamilton is directly in front of him on the grid , I don't see the need for any penalty at all

 

Driving the Ferrari is penalty enough

 

Or directly behind him. Vettel will soon penalise himself.

 

I just don't understand F1 anymore. The regulation changes in 2014 (which nobody wanted or needed) have essentially gifted Mercedes world championship after world championship. The odd season Rosberg or Vettel could offer a title challenge, apart from that it's been the worst era of the sport.

The grid has been predictable, the same three qualifying or on the podium for the past five years. It's as if the FIA - Mercedes - Pirelli - Formula One have an agenda to manufacture Lewis Hamilton as the all time greatest, punishing any challenge whilst forcibly re-writing the history books.

I'm sorry but even if he does surpass the race win record set back in 2006 or championship record set in 2004, everyone who understands Formula One will know it what it took.

The Lewis Mercedes car combination is unstoppable and bulletproof, but it's not what F1 needs right now. The sport is in survival mode, and events such as last week are confirming such.

I know somebody will come on here about F1 back in the 00's, atleast then we had title challenges with varying strength and longevity from Hakkinen, Coulthard, Raikkonen, Montoya, Ralf and Alonso etc. 2003 and 2005 were very competitive years compared to now.

2014 - Rosberg (Teammate),
2015 - (No real challenge),
2016 - Rosberg (Teammate),
2017 - Vettel (Ferrari),
2018 - Vettel (Ferrari), *albeit mistake prone.
2019 - Bottas? (Teammate), probably not.

If that's the way we want to see the all time record broken (a half arsed title challenge from mediocre teammates or a mistake prone Ferrari driver in a ****box, as well as biased penalty decisions) so be it, but it sure as hell isn't the multi-team / multi-driver battles of the 00s where anything was possible, given varying reliability, fuel loads, driver capacity, tyre wear.

This is a wrong world as Seb put it. He is absolutely correct.

 

Oh dear.
EMSC. You are a good guy. You add a special dimension to any debate. I'm sure others would concur that you have been missed. But I have to say this…

For years and years you went on about statistics as if nothing else mattered, despite what you gradually discovered of your hero's contracts and team mates, not to mention his career-long penchant for cheating at every single opportunity.

What you have seen since is someone achieving more with far less help; a real competitor who tries to win on merit whenever possible, rather than prevent all competition as far as humanly possible. Take it or leave it, but deep down in your heart, you know it is the truth.

What you are at last facing up to is that by your own criteria, Schumacher is likely to be demoted before Hamilton calls it a day. It will make you sad and you will turn your back on F1 (if and) when your hero is defeated. And we will all miss you. But trying to degrade and diminish the achievements of a purer driver who achieves similar statistics without recourse to similar tactics, is plain cheap.

No self-respecting Schumacher adorer can ignore that he is now being put in the shade by the very criteria cited to support their out of date and historically distorted, rather blinkered view.

I hope you, like Schumacher himself, will one day recover.

 

Nobody but Ferrari or its star driver can be blamed for any lack of competition in 2018 and 2019. It is they who are making it one-sided at the moment, not the FIA or Mercedes.

 

Schumacher only ever had the best car twice in he's career 2002 and 2004, Hamilton has had the best car in 2007 and 2008 even 2010 and 2012 it was as good as red bull and from 2014 to now, he should of smashed Schumacher records by now.

 

Some people can't decide if he is too dominant or not dominant enough. Whether in the best car or not he has shown time and again that he is the difference.

 

This especially .

I hate Ervine , but he would at least one world championship if they had not " Lost " his tyres .

Michael is faster than you …….

I could go on , but I won't

 

[QUcouldn't have said it better myself....right on the money bro.sicave, post: 12907344, member: 1006501"]Oh dear.
EMSC. You are a good guy. You add a special dimension to any debate. I'm sure others would concur that you have been missed. But I have to say this…

For years and years you went on about statistics as if nothing else mattered, despite what you gradually discovered of your hero's contracts and team mates, not to mention his career-long penchant for cheating at every single opportunity.

What you have seen since is someone achieving more with far less help; a real competitor who tries to win on merit whenever possible, rather than prevent all competition as far as humanly possible. Take it or leave it, but deep down in your heart, you know it is the truth.

What you are at last facing up to is that by your own criteria, Schumacher is likely to be demoted before Hamilton calls it a day. It will make you sad and you will turn your back on F1 (if and) when your hero is defeated. And we will all miss you. But trying to degrade and diminish the achievements of a purer driver who achieves similar statistics without recourse to similar tactics, is plain cheap.

No self-respecting Schumacher adorer can ignore that he is now being put in the shade by the very criteria cited to support their out of date and historically distorted, rather blinkered view.

I hope you, like Schumacher himself, will one day recover.[/QUOTE]

I couldnt have said it better myself...right on the money bro.

 

Are you for real? I know you have to be kidding us right?

 

Ferrari drop appeal against Canadian GP penalty - reports
Ferrari has opted not to appeal Sebastian Vettel's penalty at the Canadian Grand Prix, it is reported.

Thursday was the final day for the Italian team to present their case to the FIA, however, the Daily Mail and other sources are claiming team boss Mattia Binotto has notified they will not proceed.

The appeal of the five-second penalty, which ultimately gave victory to Lewis Hamilton in Montreal, was already seen as a desperate bid that was likely to fail.

As Sky Sports' Martin Brundle wrote in his post-race column, had Ferrari proceeded, Mercedes would have simply argued that Lewis drove knowing the penalty was coming and would have pushed harder to overtake otherwise.

Also, there is a provision in the regulations which stated that five-second penalties were not able to be appealed against.

While the debate rumbles on as to whether the decision made by the stewards was the correct one, it now won't change the fact that records show Hamilton as the winner of Sunday's race.

I wonder whats the real reason? Maybe they had a view of the videos in slow motion, saw exactly what the stewards saw and came to the conclusion that Vettel was wrong??

 

I agree fully, a great champion should be able to put together competition in a car that shouldn't be there.

Where in Hamiltons career has this been achieved? Which season? Somebody enlighten me.

Cosi, I respect your opinion but I never wanted to mention Michael in this. I was focusing on the F1/Fia/Mercedes/Hamilton/Pirelli love-in we have been having for the past 5 years.

But on that note I think it is harsh and quite sensational to say that a champion would be 'defeated' or 'diminished' if he is surpassed.

He will always be remembered, and even someone who doesn't want to will know in their heart of hearts what was achieved between 1991 and 2012. Them years especially the late 90s in the mediocre Ferrari will be written in F1 folklore forever. And you know it.

 

So are you questioning if there were Ferraris that were more dominant than 2002 or 2004? or that the 07, 08, 10, 12 Mclarens weren't championship winning material?