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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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  1. Stay in

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  2. Get out

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  1. Staines R's

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    That sounds like fighting talk, Bracknell ;)
     
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    Just reality, sadly.
     
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    Leaving the EU without a deal could go down as the most immature of immature in the land of immature ... where is that? Next to the land of baked beans and the land of tell them all to **** off
     
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    when you eventually get more cops on the streets hopefully they dont all end up like this because of a car insurance check
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    'Supergirl' activist condemns 'undemocratic' EU for shutting down anti-Brexit protest

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    British cartoonist Madeleine Kay, an anti-Brexit activist wearing a costume of Superwoman, is escorted out of the press conference in Brussels Credit: AFP

    The Supergirl costume-wearing, pro-Remain protester who attempted to gatecrash Thursday's Brexit press conference in Brussels condemned EU officials as "undemocratic" after they kicked her out of the room.
    Madeleina Kay, a 23-year-old British musician, sat down in the font row of the Berlaymont's press room wearing her EU Supergirl costume.
    She said she was planning to hand Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, a copy of her anti-Brexit book, "Theresa Maybe in Brexitland" to show that many Britons opposed the decision to quit the EU.
    But before doing so she was ushered into a sideroom by EU officials who were allegedly terrified that she was planning a "prank" in the vein of a protester who gatecrashed Theresa May's speech at Tory party conference.
    "There was no reason they ejected me, I had all the right passes on me," Ms Kay told the Telegraph.
    "They took me away and asked me what I was planning to do. They were worried that I was planning a prank like the one that happened at Tory party conference.
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    "There was no reason they ejected me, I had all the right passes on me," Ms Kay told the Telegraph. Credit: EPA
    "I just wanted to give Michel Barnier a copy of my book in protest at Brexit, which is going to be a total disaster. I am completely opposed to every aspect of it."
    The protester, who hoped the stunt would make the EU more appealing to young people, said the mob-handed treatment by officials had given the impression that the bloc was undemocratic.
    "I was irritated because it was undemocratic of the EU officials in the room to make me leave. They did not like the way I was dressed," she said.
    "It's silly because the EU says it needs to appeal to more young people, when in that room everyone was wearing a grey or black suit. I turned up as the only person not wearing suit and they made me leave."
     
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    I’ve stayed very quiet on this for the last 12 months and read with interest.
    Simple question for you all;
    If Britain leaves with a no deal, what do you think happens when they come back to negotiate a new trade deal with the biggest trading block in the world?
    Simple question. Let’s hear it then.
     
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    I think the UK will be in a weak position when it comes to making new trade deals with the EU, the US, just about everyone in fact.
     
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    As John McDonnell proposes a revolutionary coup against Boris Johnson, ROBERT HARDMAN asks: What WOULD happen if Jeremy Corbyn took a cab to see the Queen to tell her he's taking over?
    By Robert Hardman for the Daily Mail
    Published: 08:09 AEST, 9 August 2019 | Updated: 23:01 AEST, 9 August 2019
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    • Boris Johnson loses a vote of no confidence when Parliament returns next month.
      If the Prime Minister then decides to push Britain into an election rather than hand over the keys to No 10, Mr McDonnell is very clear about what would follow.
      ‘I don’t want to drag the Queen into this,’ he said (while relishing the prospect, like any good republican). ‘But I would be sending Jeremy Corbyn in a cab to Buckingham Palace to say: “We’re taking over”.’
      Here, in one sentence, Mr McDonnell has unwittingly revealed all that we need to know about a prospective Labour administration. First, it is not Mr Corbyn who is in charge but Mr McDonnell who would be ‘sending’ the poor old duffer off to the Palace.
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    • And, second, he clearly regards the Monarch as some sort of bit-part player in his grand neo-Marxist world view.
      Let us, though, for one moment, indulge Mr McDonnell in his fantasy.
      It is an historic moment as Mr Corbyn clambers in to his taxi while the TV news choppers hover overhead, following his every move through the London traffic.
      ‘There’s Jeremy Corbyn now heading down the Mall, er, past Clarence House, er . . .’ waffles the commentator, desperately filling airtime as the Labour leader heads for the Palace gates.
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      ="Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn pictured in the back of a taxi. 'Let us, though, for one moment, indulge Mr McDonnell in his fantasy. It is an historic moment as Mr Corbyn clambers in to his taxi while the TV news choppers hover overhead, following his every move through the London
      Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn pictured in the back of a taxi. 'Let us, though, for one moment, indulge Mr McDonnell in his fantasy. It is an historic moment as Mr Corbyn clambers in to his taxi while the TV news choppers hover overhead, following his every move through the London traffic'
      Prime Minister Boris Johnson 'can't be trusted' say Labour Party
      At which point, an armed policeman politely redirects the taxi 516 miles in the opposite direction to Aberdeenshire where the Queen will be in residence until mid-October.
      Ten hours later, with around £700 on the meter, our long-suffering cabbie turns off the A93, through the granite gates of Balmoral, past Prince Charles’s ‘SLOW Red Squirrels’ signs and up to the front door. Whereupon, it will be a swift U-turn and another £700 drive back to Mr Corbyn’s Islington home.
      Because the Queen is not going to be told what to do by the Opposition, however pumped up it may be feeling.
      Nor, for that matter, is she going to send the Army round to evict a PM who is holed up in his study and refusing to leave after a motion of no confidence.
      So what will she do? And at what point might she be ‘dragged’ into all this?
      There is no question that the weeks ahead will be historic. Since the Brexit referendum, we have heard commentators talking sometimes hysterically about a ‘make-or-break week for the Government’, only to find it is much like the last one.
      However, the advent of a new PM and a new Government versus a seemingly implacable EU with less than three months to go means that we are, indeed, heading for stormy constitutional waters.
      In which situation, people on every side will always try to invoke the Monarch.
      So let us focus on the few things about which we can be certain. The Queen has absolutely no wish to intervene. She is a stickler for precedent. And her advisers will be doing all they can to ensure that the politicians sort out a mess of their own making.
    • For MPs have effectively written the Monarch out of this part of the script. When they rushed through the Fixed Term Parliaments Act of 2011, they effectively removed her right to dissolve Parliament and they laid down new rules on how to remove governments.
      Having done so, it is pretty rich of them to expect her to sort things out when it all goes wrong.
      It is worth re-reading the debate on this flawed piece of legislation. This was a pet project of the then-Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg as the Coalition government was getting underway in 2010. He wanted a guarantee that, having led his Liberal Democrats into a power-sharing deal with the Tories, the Government would get a full five-year term.
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      Former Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg wanted a guarantee that, having led his Liberal Democrats into a power-sharing deal with the Tories, the Government would get a full five-year term
      The whole thing was forced through Parliament at breakneck speed but what really stands out in the short debate on the subject is the glaring omission of one key player: the Queen. Almost everyone forgot about her.
      A handful of Tory backbenchers, notably Jacob Rees-Mogg (now Leader of the House) and Geoffrey Cox (now Attorney General) warned that the Monarch’s ancient role was being erased.
      Yet Mr Clegg’s Bill sailed through. The result is an Act which, we now discover, is woefully short on detail.
      The idea was simple enough. A General Election would be called in the event of two situations. First, if two-thirds of Parliament voted for one.
      Second, if the Government lost a vote of no confidence and no motion of confidence was subsequently passed within two weeks.
      Clearly, if Mr Johnson can do a deal in those 14 days and secure a renewed vote of confidence, then his government carries on.
      But if he cannot, there is nothing in the rules to explain how Mr Corbyn or anyone else might create an alternative government if Mr Johnson wants to run the clock down and have an election instead.
      People would doubtless demand that the Queen intervene but she cannot appoint a new PM until the old one resigns.
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      Prime Minister Boris Johnson pictured outside Downing Street. 'Clearly, if Mr Johnson can do a deal in those 14 days and secure a renewed vote of confidence, then his government carries on'
      Her only other options would be to sack Mr Johnson — and it is not remotely in her nature to be the first Monarch since 1834 to sack a PM — or to find a precedent for not sacking him. And that means rewinding the clock to 1979 when Labour’s Jim Callaghan lost a vote of no confidence.
      He then stayed in office for another month while he prepared for an election. There was, he said, no question of resigning: ‘Mr Speaker, now that the House of Commons has declared itself, we shall take our case to the country.’ He went to see the Queen to seek a dissolution and it was granted.
      These days, that dissolution is not even hers to give. So, I believe that the Queen’s advisers will feel it is right for her to stay well out of it.
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      Labour's Jim Callaghan served as Prime Minster between 1976 and 1979. Callaghan lost a vote of no confidence in 1979 and stayed in office for another month while he prepared for an election
      Jeremy Corbyn doesn't see how Boris Johnson can deliver Brexit
      Some have raised another scenario, namely that a cross-party coalition of MPs will be cobbled together with the sole aim of delaying Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union.
      Under the so-called ‘letter-writing government’ plan, an alliance of Remainers would form an interim government with a single policy: writing a formal letter to the EU seeking an extension to Article 50.
      It might sound fiendishly clever to all those policy wonks plotting around the poolside (don’t these people ever have a normal holiday?). But it seems very unlikely that all these factions could ever agree on who their PM might be.
      Mr McDonnell has made it clear it would have to be Mr Corbyn. The Lib Dems would never agree to that. Remainers have suggested a respected old grandee like Ken Clarke but there are many Labour MPs whose tribal DNA would prevent them from ever endorsing a Tory PM.
      It is a prospect fraught with uncertainties and one which the Queen and her advisers will want nothing to do with. It is an almost sacred constitutional doctrine that ‘the Queen’s business must be carried on’. In other words, the machinery of State must continue to function (which is why governments stay in office until the morning after an election).
      Look at the preface to the Monarchy’s website. It is her job to give us ‘a sense of stability and continuity’. The idea of a ‘government’ with one policy and no obvious leader must be anathema to her.
      So, as Parliament returns for some bloody fisticuffs, the Queen will remain in the Highlands. The Royal Family will stand ready to do their duty and prepare to patch things up when this is over. It is their task to help to reunite a fractured land and show the world there are some things about Britain which never change.
      And if Mr Corbyn decides to turn up in a cab, he will find a sign on the door: ‘Gone fishin’.’
     
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    Sadiq Khan's approval ratings drop to lowest ever as crime rises

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    London Mayor Sadiq Khan meets with officers from the Metropolitan Police at Stratford police station Credit: Yui Mok/PA
    Satisfaction ratings for Sadiq Khan have dropped to the lowest level in his three years as Mayor of London, with campaigners blaming increasing crime for his drop in popularity.
    Overall, Mr Khan has a satisfaction rating of -3, with 30 percent of Londoners saying they are satisfied with his leadership and 33 percent dissatisfied, according to YouGov polling.
    With less than 10 months until Mr Khan is up for re-election, this is the lowest he has ever been scored by Londoners, down from +31 when he came into office.
    Campaigners have said that Londoners are unimpressed with recent increases in crime, with overall rates up 16 percent from June 2016 to this month, violent crime up 13 percent and...
    Sadiq Khan's approval rating has dropped to -3 as police say London is not safe. Gun crime
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    30% Knife crime
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    55% Rape
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    45% Robbery
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    65% Burglary
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    37%
     
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    If they put him an Uber cab he'll probably be dropped off in Buckingham on a price surge...<laugh>
     
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    Ok. So I left it for a while before responding to these latest remain screeches.
    These GDP figures are almost certainly a one-off, due to businesses stockpiling whilst expecting us to leave in March.
    They can't continue to do that.
    Remainers seem to rejoice in any potentially bad news, just so that they can say 'I told you so'.
    The economy has done quite well since the referendum result despite all the doom and gloom forecasts.
    All leading economic forecasters, from the Bank of England to the IMF don't expect a recession.

    The biggest problem is uncertainty and that is entirely the fault of the inept, EU worshipping idiots in Westminster, who some on here hold in such high regard.
    MPs who stood in an election promising to uphold the result of the referendum and are simply lying ****s who will find any excuse and grasp any straw to try to stop brexit.
    Along with the odious Liberal Democrats and the London elitist liberals, they're all saying bollocks to everyone who voted leave.
     
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    So my pointing out the fact that there was negative growth in Q2 was a 'remain screech'? Just as well you took you left it for a while Col, otherwise your response might have been a bit hysterical.
     
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    It's the US/China trade war that is set to derail the worldwide economy.

    It looks like another Eurozone financial crisis is brewing. Italy's economy is a basket-case. French industrial economy is down and there is weekly fighting in the street. Germany is close to recession. And these are meant to be the jewels in the EU crown. These problems are NOT down to Brexit!

    Meanwhile, Dominic Grieve who is of French extraction, president of the Franco-British Society, was awarded the Legion of Honour in 2016 for representing French interests, and broadcasts in French on French radio and television, has called for the Queen to sack Boris Johnson...from his house in Brittany. Couldn't make it up, the treacherous ****.
     
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    Here we go again. Any economic turmoil under the Tories is down to spurious global factors, whereas the real global crash in 2008 was 'Labour's Crash'.
     
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    Do you dispute the facts I set out?
     
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    Do you believe, as Col seems to, that the UK growth contraction (and probable recession) has nothing to do with Brexit?
     
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    I take that as a "no" since all the media are reporting an impending worldwide slowdown

    Uncertainty over the transition from EU member is bound to have some short term economic ramifications. A no-deal more so, which is why it's best avoided by both the UK and the EU. Which is why I believe a deal will be struck at the last moment before Oct 31. Which is what Boris Johnson wants, but will go to WTO if necessary rather than be intimidated by the Brussels bullies that want to force us to stay in the Customs Union and prevent us making our own trade deals worldwide.We've already said we won't put up a hard border in Ireland. Good on him.
     
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    You’re the only one who answered.
    Let me make this clear, I am not a lover of the EU and would prefer to see my country leaving too. However I think the answer as you’ve stated is very clear.
    The EU has not changed its stance. It can’t. It’s rules are bigger than any one member or country. May negotiated a deal and then couldn’t honor it!!!!!! Britain are prepared to leave with a no deal and walk away from the GFA which they also signed. Where’s the credibility?
    The EU have stated from Day 1 that if Britain leaves with a no deal then when they come back to negotiate a future agreement there will be 3 preconditions, movement of people, the settlement fee and the Irish border issue. The experts say that any new agreement between the EU and Britain will take years to negotiate and agree. It’s this period that will IMO cause Britain the biggest turmoil. Both the EU and Britain need each other from a trade, movement and security point of view. But while the EU will undoubtedly suffer, Britain needs the biggest trading block in the world far far far more. Be clear on that. That’s why leaving without a deal and prolonging this mess for everybody is lunacy.
     
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    Ah yes, 'uncertainty'. At the moment, we aren't certain if we are truly ****ed. In a few weeks time, Johnson will make absolutely sure that we are. If there is indeed a global slowdown, we will be in a much weaker position than anyone else to withstand it, because of this Brexit madness.

    Anyway, enough of such depressing stuff. I'm off to the game now. You Rs!.
     
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