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Match Day Thread Crawley town v Norwich city EFL Cup Tuesday night special

Discussion in 'Norwich City' started by DUNCAN DONUTS, Aug 25, 2019.

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Who shall win ?

  1. Crawley

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  2. Draw

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  3. City

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  4. Reading

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  1. General Melchett

    General Melchett Well-Known Member

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    I think we'd have all thought even the suggestion that Arrons or Lewis could be dropped was preposterous before the season started, but both have been caught out at times so far and with two genuine contenders for their positions, play very well and its game on.
    (before anyone gets their panties in a twist, I'm not saying that either should be dropped or that they are not up to it. Just that there have been mistakes, not unexpectedly given their callow years and the quality of the Oppo, hopefully they are learning from them, but we have two viable options doubtless chomping at the bit to be given a chance)

    Bah!
     
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  2. DUNCAN DONUTS

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    I'm not saying just play Amadou out of position out of desperation, I'm pretty sure he was brought in with both positions in mind.

    I also really hope we go on a long cup run but as far as respect for the Carrabu cup goes it doesn't have much .

    They should sell the TV rights on the cheap to ITV or Channel 5 and put as many games on free telly as possible.

    I would watch any old **** if it's free .

    Halifax v Cambridge Utd bring it on .
     
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    DUNCAN DONUTS SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR

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    Plus we don't want to make anyone believe their place is guaranteed.

    Or burn them out from playing every minute .
     
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    I read that, but like GM I think he was recruited as a DM, which is a crucial position in the PL. If Zimbo, Godfrey and Klose are fit, I think it would be a waste to play him at CB. Like Godfrey, he's 6'0", so hardly tall for a CB. I'm hoping he can make a real difference at DM and will be disappointed if DF uses him at CB at the expense of Godfrey, Zimbo or Klose.
     
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    We bought Godfrey from York as a defensive midfielder.

    Farke threw him in when Klose injured himself in a warm up and the rest is history.
     
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    I would imagine that Klose and Hanley will be the CB's tonight with Amadou the DM. I don't think DF will risk either Zimbo or Godfrey as starters and he will want to see Amadou get minutes in the position we will use him in for the Premier League games.
     
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    I shall be totally opposite. Excellent to have decent back up in case of suspenjuries at any point during the season. Plus useful to have players confident and competent to play in more than one position to give flexibility and enable rotation if required. <ok>
    Worst case scenario, perm Trybull / Tettey with either Leitner, McLean or Vrancic for your deep lying midfield brace.
     
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    Duncan, do you mean Godfrey had been playing at DM for York when we bought him? I ask because every time this question of where Godfrey should be played has cropped up (in particular after his loan spell at Shrewsbury), the club have always said, without exception, that, from the very start, they have always viewed CB as his best position. That's the message Ben has been consistently given despite his own initial predilection for a midfield role.
     
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    He played defensive midfield at York we bought him and loaned him out as a defensive midfielder to Shrews.

    It even says on his Wiki page that he primarily plays as a defensive midfielder but can also play centre back.

    He clearly adapted well to the position and made it his own for us .
    I would imagine if we had a situation where all our defensive midfield players were unavailable he would be asked to do a job for us there too .
    As Cromer said great versatility with both he and Amadou.

    Stiepermann was used as left back at one point and I'm pretty sure McLean and Roberts can play both wings or number 10 .


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    Alex Neil even used Godfrey as a right back against Coventry replacing Whittaker late on and scoring a Worldy .

     
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    I'm with Rick on this, my reason being that Amadou has the potential to allow us to play 4:1:4:1, allowing Leitner greater freedom to orchestrate our attacks further up the field. Amadou would bring the increased pace and power at DM that neither Tettey nor Trybull offer. If Amadou had been patrolling in front of Hanley and Godfrey on Saturday, Chelsea's second and third goals might well have been prevented.
     
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    I remember AN saying that he wasn't sure what his best position was and he even had a spell as a CM/AM during his time at Shrewsbury.
     
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    I'm not disputing that Godfrey played DM at York, and fancied himself in that position. What I'm saying is that he was identified and signed by us as a future CB and has been coached accordingly ever since joining. There are plenty of examples of young CBs encouraged to play in other positions as part of their football education; it's a massive plus for defenders generally to understand the problems their colleagues in other defensive positions face and thus be able to anticipate how those colleagues are likely to react in given situations.

    Regarding Godfrey's wikipedia page, that stuff about DM being his primary position is a hangover from earlier versions of the page dating back to his York days. (I've actually followed the development, or lack thereof, of his wikipedia entry from early on following his much publicised arrival at Carrow Road; his breaking into our first team has caused it to be expanded recently but without the editing needed to make it reflect the new reality of where he's at as a player. None of which means, of course, that he couldn't be selected at DM -- or RB, or wherever -- in future, just as e.g. Chambers has been at various times for Arsenal).
     
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    He can play 2 positions simple as.

    Much like Garry Docherty bought as a striker used as a centre back Dion Dublin played both positions too.



    I would agree that Godfrey on current form has cemented his place in the side as a centre back , he may revert back to centre midfield later who know?

    Amadou is also capable of playing 2 positions and Farke himself only today reiterated that he was training with the squad in both roles.


    I don't see why this is so controversial for some on here , and I would like to see Amadou play in either position tonight .
    With only 2 match fit centre backs 2 returning from injury and for me Hanley looking out of his depth I would like to see the big guy that could apparently cost us about £13m given some game time .

    I think Ledley King was a centre back that could play centre midfield too , handy players to have around if you ask me.
     
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    There's no controversy about the ability of players to play in different positions. The question is, which of the options has the potential to most significantly transform our play for the better. Rick and I are of the opinion that Amadou playing as (lone) DM, which we think is uniquely within his capabilities in contrast to any of our other midfielders, would have the biggest impact in enhancing the overall quality of our play, not just by making us defensively sounder but, by reducing the defensive burden on another player, e.g. Leitner, adding even greater potency to our attacking play. Yes, he might also improve our back line in comparison with Hanley, but that does not in itself imply any alteration to the balance in midfield and attack.
     
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    That run against Chelsea which subsequently won the corner from which he nearly scored underlines his midfield like instincts...
     
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    AN said BG's best position was probably at CB even though he'd been playing RB. I think it was Krul last season who said Godfrey has too much football about him to play CB.

    I'm sure if we had four fit CB's nobody would be talking about Amadou playing CB. It's only a matter of necessity that he has been practicing at both centre back and DM.
     
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    If Krul really said that I bet he had Zimbo, Timm and GH queueing up to tell him how little "football" goalkeepers have in them! It's a silly remark; it takes as much football to defend successfully against good forwards and midfield players as it takes to be a good forward or midfield player. On top of that, it ignores the development of the CB role which, along with that of keepers, is a hallmark of the modern game. Rant over!

    (I must have got out of bed on the wrong side today; I've been picking quarrels with everyone left, right and centre. If only I had a match commentary to listen to .......... <laugh> )
     
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    Strong line up

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    A full 11 changes, really didn't think he'd go for it but pleased he has.
     
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