Off Topic The Politics Thread

I wish the Tories would stop saying “one nation” when they don’t mean it. I am finding that slogan a bit embarrassing now. It’s nearly as sad as the limps calling themselves democratic.

 

Typical Labour want to amend the bill by adding 16 year olds and EU nationals. Just another trick to stop Brexit. Next they will want to dig up dead Labour voters and count them as well .

 

The government tried to get this through without allowing amendments, but they lost a vote on that. Now they are saying that they will pull the bill if these amendments are passed and the election won't take place. And your lot keep banging on about democracy .

 

I believe it has to go through a committee first. However once again they are tying the PMs hands to make it unfair. Why should someone from the EU be able to vote here? Why should someone from say Poland make a decision about our future? Sorry not on. It’s just an attempt to get more Remain votes. It ain’t happening.
Now I know you are being silly because anyone can see the antics in the house over the last 3 years has been anything but democratic. and when you hear Blackford admitting today that they have deliberately frustrated Brexit. As I said the people remember.

 

I won’t but Brexit will happen and the Tories will win the next election.
Look what’s happening around you Stroller... Bercow going, Heidi Allen not standing, plus a few others. Break ups in the Second referendum camp, SNP worried about the Salmond case. According to one fella on the radio today. This case will open up a can of worms for the SNP that’s why they want an election before the case. Limps know that Boris will get his deal through and they will become irrelevant again.
I am not counting chickens I am just confident with what is happening.

Almost forgot did you see all those leave constituencies Labour MPs in the house today saying no to an election... I wonder why? Simple answer, because they went against their voters and know they will lose their seats.

 

I've just has a Lib Dem Election brochure posted through my door! Jeez, it's gonna be a long six weeks

 

If you're not prepared to give Poles or Rumanians the right to vote after a certain number of years residence then you shouldn't take taxes from them - 'no taxation without representation' and all that.

 

They don’t bother in my area. What’s the point.

I see Heidi Allen is blaming ‘Nastyness’ for the reason why she is not standing. I put it down to a Tory 17k majority that won’t vote for her.

 

If you are not a British citizen you should not have the right to vote. It doesn’t happen in the EU. It doesn’t happen in Germany so it doesn’t happen here. It’s just a Remain ploy to try and get more votes.

 

They are getting so desperate. It’s true what the Tory bod said. “This is a farce. They only want us to think they want an election”.

Once again to discuss changing the age and adding EU nationals takes months of debate and should not be added to a simple 2 line bill. It won’t get selected anyway (the amendments)

 

This may or may not be a ploy Ellers, but the possession of voting rights in the country where you live and pay your taxes is an important part of the integration process. The EU rules on this allow all EU nationals in other EU countries the right to vote in European and local elections - that is the minimum requirement, but there are many EU countries which go further than that and allow full voting rights in such circumstances. I would agree if you said that it should be subject to a language test - nobody can vote without knowing the language. The other possibility is to simplify the naturalization process in the UK - it is too expensive there, and involves taking an oath to the Monarchy (which many British couldn't do). The administration costs for naturalization in the UK. are well over a thousand pounds - 5 times more expensive than in Germany.

 

So just answer my question.... can British nationals working in German (not citizens), vote in the German election?
oh and do they allow 16-17 year olds to vote?

 

Abbott and Costello!

 

From ITV’s Joe Pike

Joe Pike(@joepike)
Bumped into Dominic Cummings.

Me: Ready for the campaign Mr Cummings?
DC: We’re not going to have one.
Me: Really?
DC: They’ll vote for EU citizens and we’ll have to pull it.#Brexit | GE19

If this really did happen, it would kind of spike Tory guns re Labour not wanting an election wouldn't it?

 

of course they will pull it if it gives another party an advantage. Same with the losers vote. They don't want a simple leave v remain (which is fair) they want to split the leave vote.
re the amendments. apparently its not down to Bercow but his assistant and he is a Tory wanting to be speaker. I think I heard that right. If that is the case the amendments won't happen as he will want Tory votes for the speaker election.

 

Just to clarify that Germany has 4 levels of elections. For the Bundestag (National), for the state parliament (eg. Bavaria), European elections, and local elections. British nationals can vote in local and European elections - I vote in all because I have German nationality as well. 16-17 year olds are allowed to vote in some state elections (the individual states decide this) and in local elections - not sure about the Euros. It is being debated as to whether they can vote in national ones. Countries which include voting rights for all elections include Portugal, Sweden, Italy and a couple of others which I can't remember. Belgium also has more or less uniform voting because it has the highest rate of naturalization coupled with compulsory voting (which I would like to see in the UK).

 

Cant see a problem with 16 or 17 year olds having the right to vote. Half of them will be too stoned to be bothered, the other half will be busy gang fighting! Give them a vote

 

More democracy eh?

 

Also if you reside in a country that you call home, pay taxes and into the system like everyone else then yes you should be able to vote on matters that will directly concern you. Nothing wrong with that. Quite logical really