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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Monday 4th November)

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. xbpod

    xbpod Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, calling someone a name, he should be sacked and never employed again, disgraceful behaviour
     
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  2. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    I need a new username that includes wakey.something more up beat in line with my attitude and cheery outlook on life.there may be some developments in my private life.i will know by Saturday and that is all I am saying.wonder what leeds60 has been doing to get analized ? was it on the nhs and he wanted his moneys worth.
     
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  3. ristac

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    So let’s pretend the FA say they have taken advice from a lip reader and they’ve found him guilty and issue a 12 week ban. Only he knows if he really uttered a racial slur and he is never going to admit it if he did so he can’t ever be found truly guilty
     
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    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    None of us know the evidence or how its being reached. We likely won't ever. It'll all be speculation
     
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  5. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Wakey-momus? <ok>
     
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  6. ellandback

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    Wherever you go, whatever you do, you could pin racism to so many things.

    Take this advert - is it racist?

     
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  7. ellandback

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    Heavy breathing is a different subject altogether <yikes>
     
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    R v John Terry

    John Terry was alleged to have made a crude racist remark against Anton Ferdinand in the course of a televised Premier League football match between Chelsea FC and Queen's Park Rangers FC. Terry's remarks were seen in ten seconds of widely broadcast and re-broadcast close-up,[17] and he was prosecuted under public order crime provisions, which include offences which are racially aggravated.[18]

    Terry's defence argued that the remark was made in response to an earlier accusation from Ferdinand; Terry was just "sarcastically repeating a racist slur" he thought Anton Ferdinand had wrongly accused him of making,[19] to refute the perceived allegation and to establish what had been said. In a joint report, two expert speecheaders corroborated the content of Terry's broadcast remarks, but could not infer why they were said, since there was no video record of the preceding context. The magistrate ruled that Terry could not be found guilty because of this uncertainty.[20][21]

    The Football Association, whose Independent Regulatory Commission examined the case with a view to disciplinary action, came to a different conclusion. The Commission dismissed the lip readers' evidence, claiming "it is to be observed that the Chief Magistrate did not derive any real assistance from the evidence of the two lip readers who were called to give evidence",[22] although the Chief Magistrate had himself spoken of the importance of the lip reading evidence: "Other words appear to be spoken.

    Both parties have agreed that expert evidence from lip readers is necessary to say what those words are. It is axiomatic that expert evidence is not called unless a particular expertise is needed to give an opinion to the court which the court cannot readily form itself."[20] The Commission based its decision (which required a lower standard of proof) on a transcription of the video evidence [23] that conflicted with the evidence of the lip readers.[20]:4 as well as on disputed circumstantial evidence and references to the disputed post-incident behaviour of Anton Ferdinand, John Terry, Ashley Cole and David Barnard.[24][25]
     
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    Wakey wakey sunshine
     
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  10. Irishshako

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    I can't remember other nationalities reporting that they've been abused, I could be wrong. Is it only an issue if you're black. The other thing is did the black fella say anything to Kiko. We don't know the full story. But one things for sure, the FL will be on a semi with this.<grr>
     
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  11. Doc

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    Under 23s away in Alfreton against Notts Forest at 7pm tonight. Forest are top of the league on 25 points whilst we are in 8th on only 12 points whilst we try and navigate this season with a new squad
     
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  12. patb

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    well thats me ****ed having copd
     
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  13. Whitejock

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    Just been postponed - waterlogged pitch.
     
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  14. wakeybreakyheart

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    When with my first wife i thought i was a great lover. Thats until i discovered she has asthma.
     
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  15. Whitejock

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    Bit puzzled by this Casilla issue.

    Spanish lip-reader? So presumably Casilla made his racist slur in Spanish? <confused>

    And Leko speaks Spanish, does he? I think not. <doh>

    Push comes to shove, if Casilla did insult him in english, he could use the defence that his team mates told him the phrase he used was a nice gesture to a young black man playing well in a match. Pretty sure I read of a foreign kid being told to greet Alex Fergusson with 'Fukk off, big nose' or something like that. Fergusson, to his credit, simply forced a wry grin & didn't react.
     
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  16. Whitejock

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    How about 'WakeywakeyEmmayouresuffocatingmewithyourlefttit'?
     
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  17. wakeybreakyheart

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    Not long enough and now ive emmas tits stuck in mind. Mind you they are magnificent.
     
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    Phil Hay
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    Casilla has until November 12 (next Tuesday) to respond. Leeds say he "strenuously denies the allegation and has proactively worked with the FA during the investigation to date." He will request a personal hearing.
     
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  20. ristac

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    Excellent point
     
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