Off Topic How Are You Celebrating Brexit Day ?

Yes but he's not Corbyn so he gets a free pass.
Len McLuskey says that his mate Corbyn shouldn't step down after he loses the election. **** off Len and stick to the job you're paid to do.

 

Just heard that the Brexit Party says it will abolish the House of Lords in it's contract.
That's the first time I have heard that stated as a policy by any party.

If Labour or the Lib Dems have abolition of the Lords as an election pledge, they've kept pretty quiet about it.

I wouldn't bother to read their manifestos as they (like all manifestos) will be littered with promises they don't intend to keep.
The only policies that have any chance of actually happening, are the ones they talk about.

The Abolition of the House of Lords, plus the Brexit Party's position on Brexit itself, makes me more likely to vote for them than any other party at this point in time. Having said that, I'm still probably not going to bother voting since my faith in democracy is lost, and I live in a safe Labour area.

 

Tbh forest ive had enough of politics.
I shall be voting for none of the above on the 12th.

 

A murderer who refuses to reveal where his victim's body is hidden, is considered suitable to be released.

How can that possibly be allowed.

By refusing to allow his victim's family to bury their loved one, that murderer is continuing to torture them.
How can any human being allow that torture to continue, and yet consider the murderer fit to regain his freedom.

Thais is utterly disgusting.
It brings the whole parole board into disrepute, and destroys the people's faith in Justice.
Sickening.

 

Corbyn was on a loser from the get go - the typical Daily Malice smears abour 'friend of terrorists' which cheerfully jumps the whole negotiating of the Good Friday Agreement which brought an end to the bloodshed in Northern Ireland, since it would never have happened without people sitting down at the table with all sides, being a perfect example.
However, he was never a good option, and there is a level or cronyism in the Labour party which simply sticks in many people's craw. The fact is Len McLuskey might want him to stay on, but Labour won't be in a position to put any policies into action in opposition. I see that NHS is beginning to be a bigger concern to voters tan Brexit (sorry to see global warming is below both ) which should be a gift to Labour given the Tories have seen waiting lists rise to record levels all over the shop. But rightly or wrongly, Corbyn is the face that launched a thousand voters in the other direction, and Momentum holdin the reins in the Labour party Will continue to see that happens.

By the way FHB, does len McLuskey actually have a job?

 

General Secretary of UNITE, the country's biggest union.

It's easy to see why. Two horrible interviews on the Today program, one with John McDonnell and one with Nigel Farage, two idealists from opposite ends of the political spectrum. Like any idealists they won't talk, or probably think, about the detailed consequences of their policies. If, as it seems, McDonnell actually wants to bring back secondary picketing, either he has flipped, or he wants to lose the GE, and I speak as an unashamed trade unionist.

 

(this might sound obvious, but I've only just thought of it in these terms)

What is making this election more spiky and unpleasant than any other that I can remember, is something it is lacking.
A party of the centre ground.
The three way polarisation of our mainstream parties is frankly astonishing when you think about it.

The Conservatives would like to think they are centre-right and perhaps many of them are. But Boris Johnson is not good at appealing to voters in the centre (something Tony Blair, for all his faults, was extremely good at, and even the coward Cameron knew how to do reasonably well).
Johnson bulldozes his way across in a manner I personally find oddly agreeable, but is not going to impress floating voters.

Jo Swinson, at a stroke, has transformed the Liberal Democrats from a party widely perceived as the natural party of the centre (or centre-left) into an extremist party. All she seems to do is stand up, stamp her foot in the manner of a spoilt child demanding a pet pony, and declare that she's going to
STOP BREXIT.
Nothing else seems to matter very much to her.
So instantly she has stuck two fingers up at any floating voter who might be attracted to some Lib Dem values or policies, but wants (honestly and with the best intentions) to see the UK leave the Europen Union. Her attitude towards 'leave' voters from 2016 is beyond patronising.

What Jeremy Corbyn has done to the Labour Party, and the character of his momentum backers, is self-evident. Labour has long since abandoned it's Northern working class roots and moderate supporters, and as for floating voters? They won't touch Corbyn with a barge pole.

All the other parties can be discounted, as they are single-issue.

So who do the millions of moderate floating voters turn to?
They have nobody.
The centre ground in British politics is now a no-mans land - depopulated and abandoned.
And this is a very worrying trend indeed.

The last time we had elections as divisive and hostile as this in the UK (and in Germany, Italy and Spain at the time) was in the decade which saw the rise of Mosley, Franco, Mussolini and Hitler.
In 2019 the paramilitary uniforms and fascist flags are illegal. But in many respects the hatred is very much alive. To my shame I have expressed plenty of it myself (and will probably continue to do so in moments of anger) as I've got caught up in the hostility.

 

This is utter madness... they have built a 15,000 seater arena for ONE FIGHT??.. where's the environment consideration?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/box...eavyweight-rematch/ar-BBXiYHw?ocid=spartanntp

 

Well, there's probably a few hundred migrant labourers who aren't emitting any carbon dioxide anymore, having been killed during the building work.

And they don't really have an environment out there do they.
It's 50 degrees by day and freezing at night, 365 days of the year.

 

The members of the public who took down the armed terrorist should be awarded the George Cross

 

I've heard no details about this latest incident at all, but I wholeheartedly agree FHB.
They are heroes, just like our own PC Keith Palmer.

PC Palmer received the George Medal, but why he did not receive the George Cross is beyond me.
There was no greater sacrifice he could have made.

 

Watched the Jo Swinson interview last night.

She didn't do very well, but I wouldn't say it was a disaster for her.
Seems most of the policies in this Lib Dem Manifesto are reversals of laws they voted for while in Coalition Government. That was amusing.
Fair play to her though, she didn't really try to wriggle out of that. She said sorry and that those votes were wrong.

I have been surprised by how support has faded for the Lib Dems in the polls.
Perhaps I owe an apology to many 'remain' voters from 2016. It seems that (like Vince Cable) they hold the principle of democracy higher than a simple desire to "stop Brexit" any way they can, and the Lib Dem policy of revoking Article 50 immediately and without consulting the electorate again has not attracted them to vote Lib Dem in the way I thought it would.
Or at least, they won't say so to pollsters.

She still believes it is right to "stop Brexit" any way she can, and proudly boasted that the Lib Dems had already done this several times since 2016.
I was surprised to hear that she would approve of a "People's Vote" with Boris's Brexit Deal or Remain as the options. But I guess there was no risk in her saying that.
She knows that any second EU referendum would be controlled by Labour, and that the options would actually be Corbyn's Brexit Deal (customs union, free movement, obeying all EU regulations - remain in all but name) or Remain. No real choice at all.
When pressed on the possibility that such a "People's Vote" would lead to more division and chaos, because millions of 'leave' voters would boycott the vote (so slashing the turnout, and making the result meaningless), she declined to offer an opinion.

I'm afraid she still comes across as a patronising upper class gel, who looks down her nose at voters and knows what's best for them. Strangely, she seems to do this 'upper class patronising' thing much more than Boris Johnson does. Her throwaway reference to a 'free pony' from Labour wasn't very clever either.

But she did say several times that the Lib Dems will not put Jeremy Corbyn into No.10.
The voters will hold her to those words, and brand her a bare-faced liar if that does in fact happen.

 

I don't mind Jezza not watching the Queen's Speech on Christmas Day.
The Queen is speaking to the people really, not to senior politicians after all.

But Corbyn did not know that the Queen's Speech is broadcast at 3pm
That is just plain ignorant. I thought absolutely everybody knew that. I must have known it by the time I was five or six years old.
Did his family not even watch it (or listen on their wireless radio) when Jezza was just a nipper?

 

I’ve never watched one! Not out of anti-monarchist fervour, just because nobody in my family ever watched it.
I’m surprised about Corbyn though, I thought everyone of that generation watched it at some point

 

She did better than Corbyn because her manifesto is not so blatantly dishonest. Saying you'll put a penny on income tax makes it easier to argue your case, but doesn't get you as many votes as lying does.

 

Poor Greta Thurnberg.

It’s going to end badly for the kid. At that age she should be doing what normal 16 year olds do.

She is clearly on the spectrum, and shame on the adults including her parents who are allowing her to be used in this way. Its uncomfortable viewing.

 

She is one of a new breed of global mega-celebrities, largely because of the internet and social media.
Those two YouTube twats who recently shamed the world of professional boxing are of the same Ilk.
And Grumpy Cat (RIP).

I wish Greta well, she obviously passionately believes in what she says. But she is undoubtedly being manipulated.
It will be interesting to see if conventional politics begins to creep into her messages as time goes on.

 

Greta clearly has issues and is being manipulated. A child of 16 should not be getting this sort of attention & exposure. Her speech at the UN was freakish. I say again, shame on her parents.

 

She makes no secret of the fact that she has Asbergers. The other side of the coin is that she has raised awareness of the frightening social and environmental problems that await her generation.

 

RIP Keyboard Cat