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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thursday 5th December)

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  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member
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    perfect1.jpg Good Morning. It's Thursday 5th December, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road.


    Nketiah to return to Arsenal in January

    According to the Daily Mail, Eddie Nketiah is set to return to Arsenal in January as they plot to determine where the 20yo will spend the second half of the season.

    The England U21 hitman,who has a 1 in 1 ratio for his Country has a wealth of admirers. In fact, there would not be a single club in the Championship that wouldn't give their right arm to bring someone with Eddie's pedigree to their club.

    Arsenal had already communicated their disappointment to Leeds earlier in the season, yet their warning fell on deaf ears as he was constantly overlooked. Now, the Gunners feel he would be better served elsewhere for the second half of the season.

    Nketiah has played 276 minutes across all competitions, scoring five goals in return, yet has not started a single league game this term.

    Whilst Nketiah's abdominal injury came at a bad time, I can't help but think that he has been treated very badly by Bielsa.

    Freddie Ljungberg, Arsenal's interim manager, also hinted at the Gunners' displeasure with England under-21 striker's situation.

    He said: 'I need to be careful [what I say] but I think Eddie is a great player. If he goes on loan we want him to play football and get minutes otherwise they can maybe be here.

    'I feel a bit sorry for him because he is a great player and the future of this club. When he has had his chance he scores goals and that's what he is about.'

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    What impact will it have if Leeds lose Clarke and Nketiah?

    A separate North London source are claiming that Jack Clarke will be moving to the City Ground in January.

    Whilst both rumours have been circulating for some time, there now seems to be far more likely that Leeds will lose 30m pounds worth of talent in January that they won't be able to replace very easily!

    We all know how difficult it is to pick up talent in the January transfer window, yet in all likelihood two of Leeds promotion rivals could pick up the bargains of the season.

    We've seen what both players can do, yet have not been given the opportunity to show it!

    What impact will it have if Leeds lose Clarke and Nketiah?

    How difficult will they be to replace?

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    Sheffield Wednesday to counter-sue the EFL regarding FFP charges

    Sheffield Wednesday are counter suing the EFL for bringing charges against them for misconduct following the sale and subsequent buy back of their ground.

    The charges relate to the process of how and when the stadium was sold and the inclusion of the profits in the 2017/18 accounts.

    If found guilty, the Wendies could face a 21 point deduction.

    A statement for the South Yorkshire club read: "Sheffield Wednesday Football Club has today filed its response to the charges brought against it by the English Football League for alleged misconduct concerning the sale and leaseback of Hillsborough stadium and the inclusion of the profit on that sale in the Club’s 2017/18 accounts.

    "The Club has informed the EFL that the charges are themselves unlawful and, without prejudice to that fact, are all denied by the Club and the other Respondents.

    "The Club has reserved all of its rights against the EFL and will take all such actions as are necessary to protect its rights and integrity, and those of its current and former officers, including in relation to inaccurate reporting. The Club has also notified the EFL that it stands ready to bring a claim against the EFL to obtain compensation for its conduct.

    "The Club maintains that it consulted with the relevant executive officers of the EFL in connection with the stadium transaction and that it acted in good faith. The Club has in its possession numerous emails, letters and other documents in which the EFL gave authorisation to the transaction, and on which authorisation the Club understood it could rely.

    "That authorisation gave rise in law to a legitimate expectation that the transaction would be accepted by the EFL, which is binding on the EFL. The EFL is acting in breach of that binding legitimate expectation by retrospectively treating as misconduct that which it had itself previously authorised, and this makes the charges themselves "unlawful.

    "The Club is accordingly bringing its own claim against the EFL to establish that it is acting unlawfully, as well as standing ready, if necessary, to vigorously defend the charges.

    "The Club will make no further comment at this time."

    Whilst its mildly amusing that a football club is suing its governing body for suing them, it does at least show that they won't be walked over. I can't help but feel that with all the trials and tribulations that have occurred at Elland Road, if Leeds had done the same, perhaps the FA / EFL would think twice before doing it again.

    Thoughts?

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  2. 2020VisionofLeeds

    2020VisionofLeeds Well-Known Member

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    Good morning.
     
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  3. Brendan Sheerin

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    Dissapointed Nketiah didn't get more game time. Not bothered about clarke.

    Need some January signings though.
     
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  4. wakeybreakyheart

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    Good morning all my view is clarke can go we have better. As for fast Eddie i had a great view of him on saturday and was not impressed at all. His ball control and passing was woeful. He may be fast and know where the net is but he is far from being a footballer. If all he has to his game is his speed then he can go too. He loooked like he had never trained with bielsa and was totally ineffective.
    So why not look at european players or a good target man from this country. We are hopeless at corners it would be good to have a game changer on the bench.
    If other clubs can find players so can we. Perhaps orta has already lined someone up.
     
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  5. Doc

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    Arsenal are in turmoil at the moment and paper talk is usually wrong. Eddie was due to start 3 games on the bounce but his sexual athletics caused him to twist a ball, so not our fault he was out inured for 3 weeks and Arsenal know the facts. I hope Eddie stays but if he goes I wish him well and will expect a new striker who can play Bielsaball to replace him.

    Jack Clarke will not be missed because we've not seen him this season and the games he played for the U23s was hardly brilliant and sometimes didn't look interested. Shame, but no chance will Jose' know much about him and he has enough problems without worrying about Clarke
     
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    Good Morning to Matt and co from a dull Bardsey
    Clarke has never been the same since he was taken ill at Boro
    Eddie well if Bielsa thought that much about him he would have played him more
    I just hope that White stays he is our key player
    Surely we have someone waiting to sign for us In Jan or will we never learn
    Wed couldn't have happened to a better man than Monk
     
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  7. ellandback

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    Surely the Daily Mail wouldn't lie?
     
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    Morning all. Wouldn't it be just like Leeds if we lost Eddie and Kiko for a bunch of games just when were in a real good position. Last season it was spy gate grabbing the headlines. Gonna be some January of bullshit rumours
     
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    If Eddie does go back the problem I envisage would be, what club would send any of their young talent here to replace him, they send them out on loan to get game time not a few minutes here and there.
    Hopefully it won't come to that.
    I did see an interview with Johnson at Bristol City, he reckons it has come to there attention that Eddie may be available in January and they would do all in their power to get him, could be just ****e stirring though.

    I was told last week by a Spurs fan, the talk there is that Clarke was definitely being recalled, to go back out on loan to play games elsewhere in the Championship. He may do well elsewhere but doesn't seem to be a good fit here.
     
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    This is also part of Ljungberg's statement, the comment at the end could be significant.

    "I’ve been calling him (throughout the season) and he texted me as well two days ago," he added before playing down the chance of a January recall.
     
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  11. Eireleeds1

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    But what would Bamford have done in 15 minutes either Wakey
     
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    Clarke no problem (though I think he will be a very good player one day) but hope Eddie stays.
     
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    Smyth at the YEP says a shortlist of strikers is complete and will be triggered in the event Eddie goes home. Also says Bielsa thinks Eddie will be a better more complete player by staying. This will be down to advisors?

    Meslier will replace Kiko as the club are raving about him and want him full time

    if Clarke goes no replacement from outside the club as Jordan Stevens just signed a contract extension and will replace Clarke

    so the only money spent will be if Eddie goes
     
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    Kept the ball better and complete a pass. Bamford does that often. Also he scored after three minutes. Your serve bud.
     
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    'll play devils advocate

    Bielsa has been great for Leeds (so far), but is rewarded handsomely for his efforts.

    Has he learnt by his mistakes last season?

    When was the last time we has a decent second half of the season?

    What I see is that Leeds have an amazing opportunity in what can only be described as an average Championship league, yet he refuses to rest people, and give 30-35m of talent an opportunity to impress.

    Has Clarke turned crap overnight - No

    If Nketiah can score hatricks foe England U21's, why hasn't he been given an opportunity at ER?
     
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    Leeds have had more scoring chances than any other Championship team, yet are joint 7th with QPR on goals scored.

    Strikers should score goals.
     
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    Here we go again: mistakes Bielsa made, has Bielsa learned any lessons..
    Amazing that we sit at the top of the league and have the best defensive record anywhere in Europe but managing peoples expectations is crazy. Clarke has been shyte since Boro last season and exactly why he hasn't played for the first team. Bielsas fault? No Clarke got a big money move and had his head turned and he hasn't been that great for the U23s. The real reason why some are having a go is because we dont have deep pockets or cheat FFFP rules and will not pay a striker £40kpwk and pay £15m for the striker who cannot even get a game in a very poor Prem team. I suggest that people read a piece from a Professor from Liverpool Uni on football governance. He stated yesterday that Radz seems to be the only football club owners who actually gets it and is doing all the right things and even increasing his clubs revenues way beyond any other club and is right not to try and fiddle FFFP rules like many clubs in our league have done. He even mentions that the wage bill has increased by 50% over last season taking the clubs average wage from £10kpwk to £15kpwk and thats massive but goes unnoticed as fans see nothing physically
     
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    I'll play devils advocate

    Bielsa has been great for Leeds (so far), but is rewarded handsomely for his efforts.

    So is just about every other manager, he's the best we'vehad since relegation from the Prem and should be applauded with what he's done with an average bunch of players, he's improved virtually every single one of them, what more do you want?

    Has he learnt by his mistakes last season?

    The way we'veground results out this season that we didn'tlast, I'dsay yes

    When was the last time we has a decent second half of the season?

    Perhaps the year we qualified for the Champions League

    What I see is that Leeds have an amazing opportunity in what can only be described as an average Championship league, yey he refuses to rest people, and give 30-35m of talent an opportunity to impress.

    Why do players need resting, we'renot even half way through the season yet, these are young fit athletes, injuries mean there is a small turnover of the starting 11, you can bet your bottom dollar if he rotated and results went against us, he'dbe slagged off for not keeping a winning side.

    Has Clarke turned crap overnight - No

    Clarke was poor the end of last season after whatever was wrong with him against Boro, he looks disinterested for the U23's, there is a talent there but should he be starting, I think not

    If Nketiah can score hatricks foe England U21's, why hasn't he been given an opportunity at ER?

    Because there's more to a strikers game than goals, and could Edfie do what Bielsa wanted in his all round game, he probably can now, as he was about to start his first game before his mystery illness
     
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    But he's been given endless chances to perform. Based on law of averages he's bound to have odd good game. Id like to see Eddie start ten games and then compare them
     
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    I'm with Eire
     
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