Off Topic General Election Special

I know a kid who is a regional finance professional and has been with the NHS since he left at 16.

The gravy train some of the ****s are on there is astounding and insults the many poorly paid people in the NHS.

Worst of all are the doctors, foreign ones lying about quallies or any doc caught perving get suspended on full pay sine die. Six figure salaries for years and years, and the BMA close ranks .

Needs a massive shake up.

Physicians, heal thyselves.

 

Well, it's ****ed the DUP off massively, which I guess will have a knock on effect on the opinions of the people of NI.

The way I see it, there's been a fair few people who are just ****ing sick of Brexit. They're sick of hearing about it, but perhaps more importantly, they're sick of the bullshit that's chucked about. I don't honestly think the government want to leave and I fully expect some sort of excuse next year about a U-turn after some sort of amazing new feature that the UK gets if it remains. They were never going to leave, I don't think; Leave politicians managed to create an enemy in the EU to have somebody to be seen to be battling for the UK, but when it's held up to scrutiny, the arguments for leaving are weak at best and fly in the face of nearly every financial expert, world economic organisation and banking firm across the planet.

This "great new deal" he keeps banging on about isn't as good as what we have with the EU now, by definition it can't be and the idea that we are "taking back control", when we never actually lost control of anything is a trick as old as politics itself.

People shout "democracy", but I'd wager many didn't have that word in their vocabulary prior to this clusterfuck, never mind knowing what it actually means or consists of in practice. And of course, the hypocrisy of having three general elections in 4 years being democratic, but having a second referendum in the same time frame is completely out of the question because it "destroys democracy". I still struggle to understand why we would go ahead with such a momentous process on the back of four year old data, especially considering that around 11% of the electorate has changed; around 5% are now dead and another 5% are eligible to vote. But somehow, the dead get their wishes honoured and those who have their whole lives ahead of them, the ones most affected by this, are denied a say simply because they weren't old enough at the time. If Brexit had happened within 12 months of the referendum, fair enough. But not nearly four years later, it's madness. Find out if it's what we all still want. If it is, slap a time limit on when we can leave and how long we have to get our **** together (actually put a date into the ballot paper), make it so that leaving actually happens. If it isn't, chuck it on the fire and vote again in a few years if it turns out we're actually being shafted. Make it illegal for social media/MSM to spread false information or misleading content, so that only 100% fact checked information is spread around. Then have a ****ing referendum based on the facts, not how people feel about things.

 

Of course you will, it avoids my question completely .

FYI, the media in this country are overwhelmingly right wing, centre right in most cases, but right leaning nevertheless.

You, my tragically misinformed little friend, need to read more.

 

Most of 'em are leaning so far to the right they are in danger of falling over.

 

@Steven Toast and @City Man Stick to the topics, and away from the personal snipes please.

 

Obviously only an issue if Johnson gets in.

I think Scotland will have a lot to say about the deal. NI get preferential access to the EU it gives them an unfair trade advantage which will seriously disadvantage businesses in other parts of the UK, probably costing jobs.

I think Scotland will instigate a legal challenge to the deal which will be challenged by Johnson. He will rush though his policies which restrict legal challenges & restrict the power of the Supreme Court making us a one Party State.

 

The election debate for young people under 30 is on BBC1 at 20:30.

 

In my defence, I was trying to be economical with the posts and have a dig with a topical question attached. I thought it was a valid question.

 

Hmm

but will doing something which results in ****ing the DUP off make a difference to voting intentions on the mainland? I doubt it will

(Obviously it will probably scupper a deal with the DUP in the event they hold the balance again...or make it much more costly in any case!)

 

Surely you jest Steven? The BBC are so far left it's embarrassing!!

 

You're right, it might not have a profound effect on mainland voting, but if I were in Wales or Scotland, I'd be taking note of how the English part of the government are willing to treat other members of the union.

 

Hey that's not fair he used a really cruel emoji and made a heightist remark.

 

Fair enough (although not much Conservative vote in Scotland anyway)

 

See a lot of this 'BBC bias stuff'

Must be oddly comforting for them to get it from both sides, sort of affirmation that they are centrist.

Think they have pockets of random bias on some programmes. .

 

They are for all the spoilt voting slips. Think they have underestimated...

 

As you well know Mr Toast, if there were to be another referendum, the options would be: Remain
Or Stay in the Customs Union, Single Market, Free movement of people, ECJ to remain as it is now, payments for access to the Single Market. So leave in name only but with no voting rights.

Any Brexiteer would naturally have to boycott such a loaded option.

 

Question Time special on BBC1 now.

Leaders for the Brexit Party, Green, Lib Dem and PC there.

 

The presenter is causing an argument between the Tories and Brexit Party These two are supposed to be on the “same side”.

 

I agree
They do have odd choices on some priogrammes though as you say,
I notice Farage is on Election QT again tonight despite not being anything to do with the election (other than owning the company that people have to pay to become one party’s candidates)