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Mourinho...how long will he be given?

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by remembercolinlee, Jan 1, 2020.

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How long will he be given?

  1. Til we go out of the CL?

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  2. Til the end of the season?

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  3. Til next Oct/Nov?

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  4. Will be a success so irrelevant?

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  1. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    Jose is one bad haircut/suit away from Spurcat demanding Levy pulls the plug.
     
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  2. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    As I said elsewhere, Poch went from proactive to reactive over the course of around six months, with the process accelerating around the time of the Olympiakos and Leicester matches

    Steptonho's got that way in a matter of weeks, becoming most obvious with his lineup for the Norwich match and it continuing today with him chopping and changing formation

    For the first few games he kept it simple: short, quick passes to get the ball moving and create space, and this worked - but wasn't suited for shutting up shop, as both the Wet Spam and Bournemouth games went from comfortable leads to desperately clinging on during stoppage time. But since then the team's been set up completely different to try and solidify the middle, but this only slows down our forward play to a glacial pace that defences can deal with

    While there's no denying that part of the issue with midfield is that the players can do one job not two or three (i.e Dier can break up play but can't pass, Winks can ping the ball around but lacks the strength to break up play, Sissoko has the strength to force his way through but can't pass, etc etc) but a manager's job is to get the right combination out of these to get points on the board, yet we're constantly seeing bad combinations such as Dier/Sissoko, Winks/Sissoko, or Eriksen in central midfield in spite his aversion to any kind of defensive work whatsoever while other combinations (literally any involving Lo Celso or Skipp, for starters) have never been tried
     
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  3. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Poch was reactive a lot longer than six months though. I can go back to the Juve game in the CL in 17/18 where I spoke about him being too reactive.

    As for Jose, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now as he’s managing a team he’s still likely getting used too and will need a window or two to get some of his own players in but early signs are it’s not been as impressive as expected. Thought he’d be able to install a strong, competitive mentality into the side whilst having the tactical nous to win ugly if need be. Seen neither so far other than a standard ‘early manager bounce’.
     
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  4. I'm the only one who has gone with the most optimistic option.
     
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  5. Lovearsenalcock

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    Just seen this thread

    he’s got my vote too
     
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  6. Hop aboard, Bruv...


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  7. SpursDisciple

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    Jesus, I'll get the popcorn ready for when Spurcat reacts to that!
     
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  8. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>
     
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  9. Billy The Spur

    Billy The Spur Well-Known Member

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    I think Levy thought that our squad was good enough and that all our problems were just a divide in the dressing room etc, that Poch had lost certain players and all that was needed was a change of manager to get us back challenging for the top 4.

    It should now be crystal clear to Levy that there has been little wrong with our manager (or the previous one), and our decline is a direct result of his own neglect of our squad and failure to sign a single player for 18 months.
     
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  10. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Possibly but Daniel Levy is a football fan as well as a businessman and he like most of us realises that this squad of players have completed their cycle and needs rebuilding, I don’t think he thought Poch was the man to do that, where I disagree with him is that he thinks Jose is.
     
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  11. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure we signed some players in the summer...
     
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  12. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    They weren’t enough to ‘fix’ this squad
     
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  13. Billy The Spur

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    Well yes, but our failure to bring in new players in those 18 months before has set our squad back.
     
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  14. PowerSpurs

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    We missed two windows at a time when we had the best squad we have had for years. Even with hind sight no one can say who we should have signed. In the first of those windows every fan would have sold Sissoko!
     
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  15. humanbeingincroydon

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    Which comes right back to what I was saying two years ago: the failure to free up non-HG spaces was the issue, either due to injury (Dembele missing the Chinese transfer window, Janssen being out until late October due to foot surgery), a lack of interest (GKN) or the expected interest not materialising (Alderweireld) was the root of the problem - and the fact is that Levy can't be blamed for any of that, unless you want to suggest that he broke Janssen's foot with a baseball bat for refusing to go on loan to Brighton the previous season
     
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  16. KingHotspur

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    Not selling them shouldn’t have meant that nobody was signed though. If needs be leave them unregistered especially if they were injured and/or definitely not going to be picked
     
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  17. humanbeingincroydon

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    We didn't register Janssen until Dembele had been sold, so it's not as if we shrugged our shoulders

    It just goes to show what a poor signing GKN was more than anything else: not only did it take two years (and two unimpressive loan spells) before we finally managed to shift him, but the inability to move him on affected our non-HG quota when we could have just as easily gone to someone like Edwards, Shashoua or Georgiou for a fraction of what we ended up wasting on him
     
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  18. PowerSpurs

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    Signing players is always a lottery. Levy and Poch understood that so became cautious. On average we have a good record in the transfer market though. Signing fewer players would have made it better because our HG players were actually better than the ones we signed.
    And this obsession with having another 'striker' has cost us millions. We already have one of the best five strikers in the world and no one else in the top 25 is avaialable. Dele, Son and Lucas are all much better players than the 30th best striker.
     
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  19. humanbeingincroydon

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    More than anything else, janssen failed for the same reason Kaboul's first stint failed: he was supposed to be introduced gradually, via the Season Killer Cup and some late appearances once we were home and dry (which ignores the fact we never, ever seem to be home and dry in the 75th minute...) to bring him up to speed gradually so he could be an asset during the glut of games in December/January and a reliable option come the end of the season

    The problem was that Harry Kane getting injured meant he was thrown in at the deep end, like Kaboul was when Ledders was injured, and that annihilated his confidence

    This is why plenty of us are baffled by Parrott's non-inclusion in matchday squads, because surely he should be an option from the bench at this point in time, but he never is
     
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  20. Citizen Kane.

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    Back up strikers at clubs we see as rivals:

    Origi
    Jesus
    Ineahacho
    Batshuayi
    Greenwood

    If we can't at least match that, we have no right to call ourselves a 'big club'. Dele, Son and Lucas are nowhere near bettering the 30th best striker on planet earth. Perhaps in a computer game where raw stats decide all, but not in real life. And based on his form over the past 18 months, I would add that Dele isn't even one of the top 30 midfielders in the world either.

    The obsession with having another striker has cost us millions because we keep screwing it up. Having solid back up to Kane in 15/16 would probably have secured us the title. Janssen was the gamble we took to mend that atrocious lack of forward planning (no pun intended), it went wrong but you'll notice that very few fans harbour anger at the club for it as at least we tried to remedy the situation. Then we bring in Llorente and barely use him - even in ridiculously easy games like Tranmere. Then we release Llorente and don't even attempt to replace him as the logic is (apparently) since Son and Lucas have a grand total of 4 games between them in 2.5 years where they've actually looked decent leading the line, QED they must be better than the likes of Origi and Iheneacho. It is baffling.

    The bottom line is our on-pitch investment policy has been reactive rather than pro-active since ENIC took over and until we shed the malaise of only seeking to fix things once the situation has become untenable, we cannot call ourselves a big club and will be stuck forever with a small club mentality.
     
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