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Performance Over the Last Decade

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  1. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    Apologies in advance for the colour scheme, but I'm colour blind. :)
    Also apologies for the quality of the image. All I could do in the end was take a photie of my pc screen & crop it. Couldn't get it to load any other way. :(

    Hope you can follow this. I basically wanted to look at the last decade to see if there was a post-Xmas slump more often than we thought. And as you can see, I got a result. We're fairly consistently **** post Xmas, both in terms of league positions Before & after after the 30 games mark, & points per game for each period. A few other things revealed too. I'll let you work that out for yourself.

    Discuss :)

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  2. Eric Le Merde

    Eric Le Merde Well-Known Member

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    I think you got 15/16 and 13/14 wrong

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    I think better or worse position or points wise we have to take into account the squad. We have what seems two decent January signings. We have Roberts, Shackleton and Forshaw returning from injury and all three should be fresh and raring to go. This time last season the injuries were mounting up. Costa and Harrison divide opinion but they’re better this season than last. The squad as well, they’re well into knowing exactly what is expected.

    I just feel if we can put back to back wins together and convert some of these plentiful chances we’ll turn a corner and the confidence will flow back
     
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  4. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo is Shit

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    It's nice to confirm it in numbers but this is the reason I'm a glass half empty guy at the moment. It seems to be happening again.....:emoticon-0119-puke:
     
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  5. Whitejock

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    It's very difficult to live with this 'absolutely brilliant' tag that I've had all my life, so I deliberately put in a wee mistake here & there to turn the ampage down a couple of degrees every now & again. :)


    ....... and if you believe that, then I've got a very special bottle of Irn Bru for sale that cures all ills. Only £150k to the first incredibly gullible hand in the air. :D
     
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  6. Whitejock

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    Aye, but it makes it clear that the Bielsaball player fatigue theory isn't the reason for it. He wasn't about all those other years that we slumped.

    Sadly, the spready only gives the trend, not an explanation. I must confess to being very surprised by this. Tbh, I was looking for 1 or 2 exampIes to help rubbish the Bielsaball fatigue pish that seems to be accepted as gospel by so many fans & 'journalists'. I really didn't expect the 6 out of 9 years of positional drops, & the 7 out of 9 years of points per game drops. That has a huge statistical significance. And it's inexplicable as far as I can see. Be interested in anyone's theories.
     
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    Wonder could it have anything to do with players mental strength and ability to cope with mental pressure of growing expectation both around the city and indeed worldwide
     
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  8. Eric Le Merde

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    I just thought it better to politely discuss the information than worry some nearly celtic people with detail, that they cannot really absorb. PS I've no £ any more since Boris increased their value and I sold them.
     
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  9. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo is Shit

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    So Leeds as a club are tosh at 2nd half of the season.

    Now, Bielsaball, so I'm led to believe is also tosh in the latter parts of the season.

    We're doomed I tell ya!

    On aa more positive note, there seems to be increasing chatter on the web about Forshaw. Sounds like he is not far off. Be like a new signing.
     
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    He convinced me last time I spoke to him. I'm wondering out loud if he might get some u23 game time tomorrow night. Hmmm..... :)
     
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    Maybe you're showing the wrong list,maybe it should be Bielsa's teams over those years, but I don't think it will show what you want it to show.
     
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  12. Whitejock

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    It's possible. Anything's possible, in fact. There has to be one or more reasons for the pattern. I find myself wondering if it's just us, or if other clubs are similarly afflicted. I mused that if it was the case, the reason might be most of the teams becoming more defensive to avoid being drawn into the relegation fight, resulting in more drawn games. That might explain the poorer ppg, but not everyone can drop league position at the same time. Then again, perhaps mst do, & it's only a few ambitious clubs that increase their league position. Apart from that wild muse (not solid enough to call a theory), I have absolutely no idea, & doubt if I'll spend the time looking for the trend in other clubs. Actually, it's go me thinking - how many clubs do you think have remained in the Championship for the last decade without promotion / relegation? Can't be that many, surely?
     
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    What I've shown is an unfortunate Leeds United trend, which doesn't appear to be related to coach, owner, or players! Really weird.
     
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    It is weird but could also just be bad owners, bringing in worse managers, how many times was it a different manager second half of the season ? One of our better second half seasons was Steve Evans who was IMO the best we had had for a long time when he came in.
     
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    I'll agree with you about Evans. I still don't know why Cellino let him go. I think he could have made the difference with another year with us. Tbf, he's done bugger all since.

    You could be right about managers etc. Fancy looking it up if you get 10 mins? I'm just heading off to bed. Had a long day/night. If you don't get the chance, I'll have a look later as it could be significant, or at least add another flavour to the curiousness.
     
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    I think, deep down, we all knew that without seeing it. I remember the collapse for us to just miss the play offs :emoticon-0130-devil.
    It must be a Leeds thing. I had a horrible weekend after we lost to Wigan but, as I said before, I wouldn't trade the **** they have to watch every week. At least we have the opportunity to go up and stay up, that will never happen for that Wigan side. I'm being harsh but it's true, you can't build a wall and hope for a lucky goal every week.
    We're moaning about missed chances but it's tough when there's 8 defenders in the box throwing their bodies in the way.
    I have also noticed is that the opposing keeper usually has a blinder against us too!
    One of my thoughts is that it is like a Cup game for many teams who are used to playing in front of less than10k fans. They walk out to 35k and it must psyche them up, at least it seems to.
     
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    Well we've had 13 managers in 8 seasons, so it looks like most seasons we changed manager half way through, with crap managers replacing crap managers, another reason might be we were selling our best players every Jan to Norwich. <grr> This season must be the first in recent times we've kept a manager and on paper strengthened the team.
    Last season we kept the manager but had a weaker squad second half, so a fall in points per game was to be expected, but probably not the collapse we had.
     
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    Could be something to do with the fact that the players know by Jan if they have any realistic chance of making a playoff spot and consciously or unconsciously take their foot off the gas. No point in risking injury etc etc.
     
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    Maybe players feel their jobs would be in jeopardy if promoted and wouldn’t make it in the pl. they might be nice and snug where they are <laugh> just saying
     
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