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Match Day Thread Stoke v Hull City

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. King Curtis

    King Curtis Well-Known Member

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    Greetings all, first post for a while.

    It's not just the defeats which are worrying, but the manner of them. Barnsley was dross, Leeds was slightly better but still a drubbing and yesterday the game was lost within the first 15 minutes. The rest of the game from then on just felt like damage limitation and in what is widely regarded as one of the most competitive leagues in the world that's ridiculous on our part to be beaten so easily. We seem to have no plan, no direction and no motivation and that falls directly at Terry's door. There's extenuating circumstances and the players need to do their bit but I've not seen or heard anything which convinces me that he can turn things around or motivate this team. If I underperformed at work and failed to acknowledge my shortcomings, I wouldn't be in that job much longer. It's sad how it's all unravelled as pre Christmas the club was making steps to engage with fans and Terry seemed to be getting a tune out of the team.

    Looking back at the games since NYD, you wonder how different things may have been had we held on to a win against Swansea or scrapped a draw or win at Preston. Could have made all the difference with these last 3 games and it shows how important the fine margins are.

    Something need to change quickly as things seem to be deteriorating game by game. A sensible owner at this point would be going to Warnock or Pulis and getting them in for the remainder of the season. By no means are they managers universally adored, but they'd toughen us up and get us organised again and probably keep us up. The sticking point there of course is 'sensible owner' and Ehab does not fall into that category. The way that I can see them making a change is if this form has taken a hit to their pride and they want to portray themselves as attempting to savour the season.

    Next Saturday already looks a huge game in the context of the club's recent history. It's a game we have to win and the club only have themselves to blame for putting themselves in this position. Winning will by no means guarantee safety but it would give us a boost before 2 more important games before the international break. A draw isn't good enough and lose and I don't see us coming out of the bottom 3 such is our form and confidence.
     
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  2. Hutch-tiger69

    Hutch-tiger69 Well-Known Member

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    Looking at the financial figures and the fact the owners are £48m in profit over 5 years, does that include interest paid to themselfs on the "gift"?

    Clearly Assett stripping
    Wondering if the football league brought in any rules or regulations to prevent owners Assett stripping.

    Would love to know how much weve spent compared to how much theyve cashed in on players, id hazard a guess at £5m tops with around £30m banked on players sales (including future payments received)

    Does it cost roughly £25m a season to keep this club afloat?

    All rough figures im bandying around, but you get the jist

    Parasites

    Were being ran as a league one club on a league one budget, paying league one wages and transfer fees. i expect nothing less than the results were now seeing due to serious under investment and assett stripping
     
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  3. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Do you think Kevin stewart is on league one wages? Or Irvine? In fact I reckon it’s bollocks and they’re paid the same apart from the ones with parachute payments
     
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  4. King Curtis

    King Curtis Well-Known Member

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    A final thought as well and not a happy one. For decades, our fans dreamed of seeing us play in the top division. 12 years after achieving that dream we had the opportunity to establish a legacy from finally achieving that dream. We may not have stayed in the Premier League, but could have yo-yoed between the top 2 divisions like WBA or Norwich. It's a travesty that we're now left with nothing to show from our time in the top division.
     
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  5. big vern

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    Very true.

    Big Vern
     
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  6. Ric Glasgow

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    If this is the calibre of the squad mentality in general at our Club then it's no surprise that we're in the **** we are in.They've had their little jolly this week,failed to turn up and subsequently received a thrashing by a relegation rival yesterday and will now look forward to the 15-20k transferred to their bank accounts for their efforts!!!

    FFS McCann.......get these useless bastards out of their slumber this morning and onto the training ground.
     
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  7. The B&S Fanclub

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    Based on what I've seen, which admittingly, isn't a lot, they'll struggle in L2.
     
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  8. charon-the-ferryman

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    the Inconvenient Truth - the reason we didn't yo yo was because the Allams gave Bruce £40 million to push on in the second season in the PL in addition to the high value loans of Ramirez and Ben Arfa - and signing Livermore Snodgrass, Robertson, Dawson, Hernandes, Diame and selling Long, the debt went up to £100 million - more than enough to push on but that season was a total **** up of **** tactics, round pegs in square holes and even more game time for the Kilmarnock Kipper - getting us relegated was the end of the money, since then its been pay back to bring that debt back down, yes we got promoted again but not before the start of selling off the silver, Brady and Chester were first to go just to start bringing the debt down and weve been a selling club ever since- Bruce wanted more money to invest in the Premier League - after he ****ed up £40 million they were never going to trust him again so he went - we've finally got that debt back down again - the Allams will never invest again for three reaons 1 Bruce ****ed up proving that high spending doesn't guarantee success 2 they can make more money buying young talent and selling them later - and 3 they don't give a **** about the fans
     
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  9. Top_Tiger

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    No need to guess who that could be.
     

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  10. Top_Tiger

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    Bruce’s outgoing on players is more than his incomings. You cannot say that about boy wonders recruitment process with his school mate Daranborough.

    He was the one with Stan Ternant who brought any players in of any value, unfortunately this allows the parasite Allams to stay around. There’s no way it’s Bruce’s fault one bit.
     
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  12. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    We all agree,and it’s common sense to do so, with your last line. Apart from the ****tard obviously
     
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    A performance-related pay scheme should be structured to hammer a performance like yesterday but I bet it isn't. I wonder what the pay range is for that lot of losers yesterday. It seems to me too many are stringing young McCann along.
     
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  16. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    I'm sorry to say the guy has no idea how to turn this around he is absolutely clueless. Just to say that the players need to take responsibility and step up to the plate is his only defence of the situation is truly worrying.

    I think he is out of his depth, and he needs replacing.

    The performance yesterday was dire, I've been watch city since 1958 and even in the dark days, I'm sure I have rarely seen a performance like yesterday from players with a City shirt on. In the lower league poor quality, but never lack of commitment like yesterday.
     
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    Based on yesterday, that lot would struggle in The National Conference!
     
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  18. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Hull City's besieged coach, worst run for generation, fans' response: Philip Buckingham's final word on sorry situation
    The Hull City reporter looks back at another embarrassing day for the Tigers
    Philip Buckingham
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    Tyrese Campbell of Stoke City celebrates scoring the second goal against Hull City during the Sky Bet Championship match at the Bet 365 Stadium
    Not since 1995, when Terry Dolan was overseeing an inglorious relegation to the fourth tier, have Hull City known a run worse than the one that has sent this crumbling campaign towards a cliff edge.

    Never in a quarter of a century. Not even as a Premier League club.

    A timid and lifeless surrender away to Stoke City , a supposed relegation rival, means 11 Championship games have now come and gone since City were last able to celebrate a victory. “It almost feels like years,” said Grant McCann. And disillusioned fans will concur.

    Collecting just two points from a possible 33 has been a run to change everything and the “noise” that McCann acknowledged before heading to the Bet365 Stadium has now had the volume increased to 11.

    City’s besieged head coach could not avoid hearing the unrest as he walked down the tunnel at both half-time and full-time. “This is embarrassing,” was a chant to come from the 513 travelling fans more than once.

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    Hull City boss Grant McCann walks off the pitch after overseeing a 5-1 defeat to Stoke City
    “You’re not fit to wear the shirt,” was another damning judgement of the team McCann has brought together.


    “That’s a first for me as a player or a manager to hear your own fans singing that,” he said. “It hurts me a lot personally. My family were at the game today. My three boys. That’ll hurt.”

    McCann again vowed to fight on but a fourth straight defeat has undeniably placed his future in the spotlight. There was sympathy in the wake of Jarrod Bowen and Kamil Grosicki being sold, as well as continued understanding over a lengthy injury list, but the patience of fans has now worn paper-thin.

    City’s most loyal supporters, those who keep fighting off the apathy that has claimed so many of their brethren, could not have made their feelings more clear once Stoke had exposed these achingly familiar flaws. Like McCann they were defiant, singing until the last knockings, but there was anger directed at players and staff like never before this season.

    Make no mistake, the Tigers are in huge trouble. On an afternoon that saw Middlesbrough and Wigan join Stoke in leapfrogging McCann’ side, City now find themselves on the precipice above rising waters.

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    Jackson Irvine of Hull City clashes with Tashan Oakley-Boothe of Stoke City
    Just two points separate the Tigers from Charlton Athletic in 22nd and fate decrees the South London side are the next guests at the KCOM Stadium. Even with a week to prepare it is a fixture that guarantees to see anxiety levels rocket.

    The obvious worry is for City’s mental strength as the pressures keep rising. Stoke followed the lead of Barnsley 10 days earlier and soundly beat a relegation rival. They were the side with discipline, control and bravery. All three of those qualities have abandoned City, who instead have become fragile and aimless.

    Shoulders continue to sink lower across this injury-depleted group. Heads, too, drop at the first sign of adversity.

    Stoke were like playground bullies, intimidating an opponent that had nowhere to turn for help.

    “The biggest thing that’s hurt me is the fact is that we got outmuscled,” said McCann. “We got bullied. They got on top of us for a 10 or 15 minute spell and we couldn’t cope physically.”

    City are certainly no dogs of war. Recruitment strategies have packed the squad with youth, gradually shedding all experience of this level in the last two seasons. Young heads are now spinning, McCann’s included. That fabled plan B has still not been found.

    Instilling belief back into this green squad is also proving beyond the head coach at present. A two-day getaway at St George’s Park had been designed to spark life back into City but the return to Staffordshire revealed 11 players frozen in headlights.

    Stoke monstered City from the outset. They ran harder and locked horns with relish. City, alas, backed down all too readily.

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    Nick Powell celebrates scoring the first goal against Hull City as Stoke City romped to a 5-1 win
    A ninth defeat in 11 games was guaranteed inside seven harrowing minutes. The opening goal was the trigger to a defensive calamity, with Stoke immediately smelling blood in the water once Joe Allen’s deep cross was headed in by Nick Powell.

    Tyrese Campbell’s confident penalty doubled the lead after Matthew Pennington had needlessly handled, before Sean McLoughlin failed to diffuse danger out wide that eventually allowed Sam Clucas to fire home a third.

    The only mercy was that City did not fall further behind. A spell of unadulterated surrender beckoned Stoke on for more and only the saves of George Long prevented Campbell and Clucas turning this into a humiliation before the break.

    At times it felt as though a towel needed throwing in to halt the suffering for a defence that has now conceded 27 goals in nine games.

    City, by contrast, did not muster a single shot on target until Leonardo da Silva Lopes capped a pleasing move that involved the impressive Keane Lewis-Potter and Callum Elder in the 76th minute but by then it was much too late.

    Clucas had already made it 4-0 with a looping header five minutes after the break, again choosing not to celebrate against the club that gave him a Premier League debut. “They took a chance on me,” said Clucas afterwards, almost apologetically.

    The last word belonged to Stoke as Tashan Oakley-Boothe crossed for Powell to complete the rout four minutes from the end but it was the full-time whistle that will have scarred McCann.

    The 39-year-old once appeared on course to unite this broken football club back in October and November. There was the wins away to Nottingham Forest and Fulham and kick-abouts on the pitch with young fans in the half-term holidays.

    McCann’s ambition promised to drive the club forward but any notion of progress has suddenly become hard to pinpoint. Survival is now the only name of the game, both for McCann and City.
     
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  19. LeftSaidFred

    LeftSaidFred Well-Known Member

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    That article says nothing, nothing at all in terms of a viewpoint and opinion from Buckingham. Hard hitting journalism, not.
     
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  20. Amin Yapusi

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    Yes it was. Bruce’s signings were on the whole very good. His use of tools not so much. He would use his spatula to scrape wallpaper whilst he used his favourite old wallpaper scraper to plaster the wall. Meanwhile there’s be a trowel sitting on the worktop being saved to flip burgers with at a later date.
     
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