Off Topic SARS-CoV-2 Covid-19

Early March I had what I thought was a chest infection with hacking cough and high temperature which totally floored me. I was delirious for a day and a night and then was coughing up loads of unpleasant stuff. Went to GP who gave me Tami-flue and a course of Amoxicillin. Still not completely right as am still a bit "chesty" but otherwise OK. My wife, who is a nurse, reckons I had it but no one close to me appeared to catch it, so dont know. Will take a test as soon as one is available. Stay safe everyone.

 

FTFY

 

Can I just point out that eating bats, frogs, penguins, insects, snake bollocks or whatever the **** people decide is food, does not give you anything more than bad ****ing breath. It is the way that different species are brought together in environments that lead to cross infections that is believed to be the cause of Covid 19.

 

Had an hour long meeting at work yesterday about infection control, minimising risk, precautions, hand washing, trying not to touch door handles, hand sanitizer, etc etc

and all I was thinking was I wonder how DJ’s Dad is getting on with his Christmas quiz!!
FFS this board man

 

Disposable gloves might be useful, washing your hands when you take them off to leave, eat, go to the loo etc.
You will also touch your face less.

 

Eating them drives the market supply of these animals being brought together and sold in environments that cause Covid 19. Not eating these would kill off demand.

 

‘She sees a spider in bath and thinks ok I’ll leave the croissant while later’ Absolute quality!

 

Wear a face mask for 15 minutes..

You’ll soon realise how often you touch your mugshot...

Box clever...Gloves and a mask go together...


Allam’s OUT

 

I don't think they were brought together and the virus originated in the market GLP... but perhaps thats not what tour saying. The suspicions are that this disease started (again) in bats and was then passed to a Pangolin.... maybe the carrier was then killed and sold...

 

Offline: COVID-19 and the NHS—“a national scandal”
“When this is all over, the NHS England board should resign in their entirety.” So wrote one National Health Service (NHS) health worker last weekend. The scale of anger and frustration is unprecedented, and coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is the cause. The UK Government's Contain–Delay–Mitigate–Research strategy failed. It failed, in part, because ministers didn't follow WHO's advice to “test, test, test” every suspected case. They didn't isolate and quarantine. They didn't contact trace. These basic principles of public health and infectious disease control were ignored, for reasons that remain opaque. The UK now has a new plan—Suppress–Shield–Treat–Palliate. But this plan, agreed far too late in the course of the outbreak, has left the NHS wholly unprepared for the surge of severely and critically ill patients that will soon come. I asked NHS workers to contact me with their experiences. Their messages have been as distressing as they have been horrifying. “It's terrifying for staff at the moment. Still no access to personal protective equipment [PPE] or testing.” “Rigid command structures make decision making impossible.” “There's been no guidelines, it's chaos.” “I don't feel safe. I don't feel protected.” “We are literally making it up as we go along.” “It feels as if we are actively harming patients.” “We need protection and prevention.” “Total carnage.” “NHS Trusts continue to fail miserably.” “Humanitarian crisis.” “Forget lockdown—we are going into meltdown.” “When I was country director in many conflict zones, we had better preparedness.” “The hospitals in London are overwhelmed.” “The public and media are not aware that today we no longer live in a city with a properly functioning western health-care system.” “How will we protect our patients and staff…I am speechless. It is utterly unconscionable. How can we do this? It is criminal…NHS England was not prepared…We feel completely helpless.”

England's Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Jenny Harries, said on March 20, 2020: “The country has a perfectly adequate supply of PPE.” She claimed that supply pressures had now been “completely resolved”. I am sure Dr Harries believed what she said. But she was wrong and she should apologise to the thousands of health workers who still have no access to WHO-standard PPE. I receive examples daily of doctors having to assess patients with respiratory symptoms but who do so without the necessary PPE to complete their jobs safely. Health workers are challenged if they ask for face masks. Even where there is PPE, there may be no training. WHO standards are not being met. Proper testing of masks is being omitted. Stickers with new expiry dates are being put on PPE that expired in 2016. Doctors have been forced to go to hardware stores to buy their own face masks. Patients with suspected COVID-19 are mixing with non-COVID-19 patients. The situation is so dire that staff are frequently breaking down in tears. As one physician wrote, “The utter failure of sound clinical leadership will lead to an absolute explosion of nosocomial COVID-19 infection.” Front-line staff are already contracting and dying from the disease.



The NHS has been wholly unprepared for this pandemic. It's impossible to understand why. Based on their modelling of the Wuhan outbreak of COVID-19, Joseph Wu and his colleagues wrote in The Lancet on Jan 31, 2020: “On the present trajectory, 2019-nCoV could be about to become a global epidemic…for health protection within China and internationally…preparedness plans should be readied for deployment at short notice, including securing supply chains of pharmaceuticals, personal protective equipment, hospital supplies, and the necessary human resources to deal with the consequences of a global outbreak of this magnitude.” This warning wasn't made lightly. It should have been read by the Chief Medical Officer, the Chief Executive Officer of the NHS in England, and the Chief Scientific Adviser. They had a duty to immediately put the NHS and British public on high alert. February should have been used to expand coronavirus testing capacity, ensure the distribution of WHO-approved PPE, and establish training programmes and guidelines to protect NHS staff. They didn't take any of those actions. The result has been chaos and panic across the NHS. Patients will die unnecessarily. NHS staff will die unnecessarily. It is, indeed, as one health worker wrote last week, “a national scandal”. The gravity of that scandal has yet to be understood

 

Who ever was tasked with acting on the information will be busy looking for a subordinate to lay the responsibility on. The Government will shoulder the blame, but that reads more like a civil service issue.

 

The Covid 19 virus as near as scientists can say made the jump from either a pangolin or a bat to a human, the epicentre is likely to be Wuhan. It’s now transmitting globally freely human to human.

If people didn’t eat risky disease carrying animals so freely, then the risk of this type of disease spreading surely has to be reduced.

 

I have no idea about the actual availability of the equipment, but the update says they've already bought some and sent them out.

"Weʼre raising £50,000 to provide our NHS staff with protective equipment, in particular protective face masks. Donate generously!

£47,511 raised of £50,000 target by 789 supporters"

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfun...V9-JC9CdVBEB2XCC5pgn3uhd4CXG-CYwQ4Q3na7hISHhI

 

I agree totally GLP.... earlier in the thread I said about eliminating bats as they have been the primary cause of the last 3 major viruses... someone mentioned how bats affect USA economy to the tune of $4 billion dollars.... cheaper that the current cost...

 

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One thing is for absolute certain, the ambulance chasers such as Neil Hudgell and his cronies will be rubbing their greasy hands together right now, where there’s blame...

 

The "management" in the NHS is appalling and has been for years

 

BSE, Salmonella, Foot and Mouth also question modern intensive farming methods

 

Removing bat's from the ecology chain apart from being improbable would also have known negative consequences e.g. increase in malaria and other diseases as bat's eat mosquitos and other diseases carrying insects, the suspicion is the Pangolin, though still not proven, Properly Banning illegal meat trades would be a start