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Discussion in 'Charlton' started by lardiman, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. The Penguin

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    I don't see how anything can be planned for this year until it's clearer when the restrictions will be lifted. If they are lifted too early that will signal another wave of cases. That means keeping them in places even after the number of new cases drops dramatically. The youngsters have the right idea, playing all sorts of online games, even having online parties.
     
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  2. The Elfsborg Sparrow

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    I'm having online nookie.
     
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    i think this season is over. null and void... we'll never be able to start up in time - if any one player refused to extend a contract (human rights etc) then their club could say the continuation is unfair. it's already done with.

    next season could be a full season if they wanted. start in october. cancel the cups and the international friendlies and we'd fit it in.
     
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  4. The Elfsborg Sparrow

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    And the scousers don't win the title<diva>
     
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  5. lardiman

    lardiman The truth is out there
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    Based on my post in the "tales from the trenches" thread, I don't think we will see any football played until August or September at the earliest.

    Link to the latest from the CMO ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52084517

    And when Football does begin again, I predict all matches in the UK will be played behind closed doors for the whole of the 2020-21 season.
    Until summer next year in fact.

    I cannot see how crowd gatherings of any kind can be allowed until every vulnerable & elderly person can have a Coronavirus vaccine jab, in the same way they can have a Flu jab. And unless the vaccine testing & mass production process is massively accelerated (which may be scientifically impossible)
    a universally available Coronavirus vaccine probably won't hit the streets until autumn of 2021.

    Obviously the consequences will be devastating for every UK football Club.
    Players will no longer be able to demand massive wages.
    Every Club below the top half of the Premier League will need financial life-support for several seasons. That may mean State funding.

    Football may never be the same again.
    But that will not be an entirely regrettable thing.
     
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  6. lardiman

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    Harry Kane is the latest to come out and say the 2019-20 season may have to be abandoned.
    He is saying if the season cannot be resumed by the end of June we should perhaps 'let it go' and look to next season.

    Nobody really wants all the effort that went into the 2019-20 season to count for nothing.
    But it is looking ever more likely that the complications involved in trying to finish that season will be impossible to overcome.

    We must try to overcome tribal loyalties I think, and do what is best for the future of Football.
    And do the right thing by our emergency services, who are in no position to bear the burden of major sporting events and will not be for many months to come. Perhaps not until next year.
     
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    @lardiman

    There’s a big difference between cancelling a season and voiding a season. I don’t like LFC, so would prefer the latter option if required :emoticon-0148-yes:

    Henry Winter has just been on Radio 4, suggesting (as I have done) a truncated 20/21 season, starring in about November & consisting only of league games (two per week).

    Winter thinks that the EPL would be liable for a £750m TV rights refund if it voided this season :emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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  8. The Elfsborg Sparrow

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    The better, and fairer option.
     
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  9. lardiman

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    I cannot see how the season could be declared finished now, then teams be promoted or relegated.
    Legal challenges would flood the courts.

    If the season is over, all results must be null and void, and expunged from the records.
     
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    It would get the LFC fans foaming at the mouth, and blaming “Thatcher” and “the police” again zzzzzzz

    They are 25 points clear with 9 games to go, so it’s in the balance still.
     
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    Is finishing this season properly more important than having a “normal” season in 21/22 ?
     
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  12. The Elfsborg Sparrow

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    If the season was voided, people who remember Heysel will rejoice.
     
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  13. lardiman

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    No.

    The 2019-20 season is lost. Some people just don't want to admit it yet.

    The 2020-21 season is already in danger.
    I think it will have to be played behind closed doors.
    If the season is also shortened to accomodate the completion of this season, the credibility of the 2020-21 season will be wrecked.

    When it comes to the fallout from declaring this season null & void;

    I know many teams (Liverpool and all teams currently in promotion places) will be angry.
    But I cannot see a sound legal foundation for challenging the null & void decision.
    Teams cannot argue that they have been denied promotion, because the season was never finished and nobody has mathematically won promotion yet.
    How can you be promoted or relegated from an unfinished competition?

    But I can see plenty of solid legal foundation for teams to challenge relegation from an unfinished season.
    Relegation is an action. An event. Something imposed - unfairly in my view, if the season is never finished - or declared completed with about 20% of the proper number of matches not played.

    Lack of promotion or relegation is NOT an action.
    It is a lack of an event, because no team has actually mathematically won promotion yet this season, or even been mathematically relegated.
    Not even Bolton.
    Nobody can predict with 100% certainty what the future would have brought.
    This is why teams are never declared Champions, promoted or relegated until those things are mathematical certainties.
    So how can any team claim they were denied something that never happened?

    So if there can be no promotion or relegation from an unfinished season, it is only common sense that all results from that season are expunged.
    And then the season be re-played (same fixtures in the same order) the following year.

    It is not fair, but it is legally watertight in my view. Not that I am a lawyer.
     
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  14. The Elfsborg Sparrow

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    Bolton will have to start next season with their points deduction.
     
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  15. The Elfsborg Sparrow

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    Next season is almost certainly going to be severely f*****, play this season to a finish.
     
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  16. lardiman

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    I agree.

    All possible conditions should be the same at the beginning of next season,
    IF this season is declared null & void, AND the decision is taken to re-run the season.

    Naturally that cannot include things like the squads of Clubs, injury situations, who the gaffer is, etc.
    But it can include disciplinary status - points deductions for example.

    If the 2019-20 season is expunged, any points deductions were expunged with it - so they never happened.
    Naturally then, they should happen in the new season.

    Indeed, that alone is a compelling argument for saying if season 2019-20 is expunged, then season 2020-21 MUST be a re-run of it.
    Otherwise teams who started the 2019-20 season with points deductions will have escaped their punishment.
     
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    I reckon the remaining fixtures should be played out as Subbuteo matches. Sky and BT could televise it, and all the unpaid players' wages could go to charity. I'd happily represent Charlton, as my fingering skills would surely see us climb away from the relegation zone.

    Good plan, eh?
     
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    lardiman The truth is out there
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    If any Football Club is taking money from the Government (taxpayers' money out of our pockets) for their backroom staff, while their players continue to be payed their full wages, that is an absolute disgrace.

    Those Clubs cannot justify that.
    I don't care how watertight those players' contracts are.
    They should be ashamed of themselves.
    The jobs of low paid staff must be protected. But if the Government has to do that while millionaire players are still coining it in, that is a disgusting scandal.

    I hope that when football finally comes back, fans will be told which players refused to take cuts to their wages.
    And those players should get relentless dogs abuse.
     
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    From being Tango Man, Simon Jordan has transformed himself into being a bit of a #cafc Twitter cult hero.
     
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