Off Topic Coronavirus and NOTHING to do with football thread

Can you take your party political broadcasts somewhere else please ! The NHS has been underfunded for years, has a quarter of it's staff sick, or in isolation, doesn't have enough hospital beds, is not testing enough people, and doesn't have enough ventilators. As a comparison - Britain has tested around 160,000 since the crisis began - Germany does 500,000 per week. The government of the day must be held responsible for a health system which appears to be collapsing under the strain.

 

I’ll ‘answer’ on behalf on sh:

The Conservatives won the last election.

 

It is others predicting the demise of this government who are politicising this thread. I was simply pointing out this government is here to stay for ages.

 

back to your comics and cartoons son.

 

hey daddio, your hot milk is going cold , and you should be in bed .

 

Putin is the puppeteer over IQ45™; who is quite unequivocal of his support for the U.K. breaking away from the EU and is all for isolationist policies. Farage is a "god fearing christian" with his fingers in American health insurance companies and sucking up to the theocrats within the U.S.government... which, IQ45™ aside, is pretty much all of them. Science denying idiots, the lot of them. Putin has given power back to the Orthodoxy and has been as mysterious and secretive in his dealings of this situation as we'd expect from a former KGB officer.
The U.K. government has been pretty pathetic in its "leadership" - trumped only by the U.S. The only country thus far to emerge with any real credit from this is South Korea.

 

Taiwan as well , they , singapore , hong kong all enacted strict controls with testing asap ......

 

I simply used Putin as an example of all those regimes who deny free speech by hiding comments which are unfortunately too near the truth.

Nigel Farage has been the most successful UK politician in the last 20 years. He has uniquely changed government policy from outside of the government, a very impressive feat.

The UK government is getting a well deserved kicking which will all be forgotten by the public in a few months. Those predicting a change of government are living in a parallel universe.

 

Sounds like the Daily Mail?
If you did and didn't post your bigotry on here.. Then this community would be a happier place.
I for one would kick you out. You detract from what this message board is all about..

 

Has somebody hidden your joss sticks?

 

https://masks4all.org/

I have been wearing a mask for a couple of weeks now in any public area where i encounter others.

How come we don't have that advice from our Govt.

Legal requirement in the Czech Republic as this video shows...and they have many fewer cases

People making their own.

Think about it.... ❤️

 

These countries are well prepared for such occurences because they have learned from bitter experience. The Western World was not. People ask 'when are we going to get back to normality' ? But maybe this is a return to 'normality'. For most of human existence our constant companions have been war, pestilence and famine (crop failure) - but the last 75 years in the Western World have been the exception. Looking back to my father, and his father, and all those generations which went before - I am the first to have not experienced either war, pestilence or famine. All these things have been banished from our World - wars are fought somewhere else, epidemics have been localised, and famine doesn't exist in our part of the World. Little wonder then that our Western democracies were not up for something like this - they all reacted too late, and they were all hampered by their democratic free traditions, and by populations who were not used to sacrifice. So we didn't cordon off whole areas immediately (which was always the first rule in containing epidemics), we didn't shut down large groups of people immediately ( they were quicker to do this in the 16th Century when the Globe Theatre was closed for the same reasons), and we still have Germans mumbling about data protection as being the reason for not employing the kind of tracking of mobile phone location as in South Korea. So now we are all playing 'catch up' - like fencing a field against rabbits when they are already inside.

 

A good post cologne. I believe that governments have lost control and the ability to react quickly in part because they have handed over too many functions to private companies to carry out work that they traditionally held the reigns on. We talk about the NHS as being a national service that people pay taxes to support, but as you see currently it has been split up to many private interests, who look to make a profit from it. There has to be some profit for the people who supply goods and equipment, but it should be minimal, and if private concerns are not prepared to trade on those terms, then the government should take it off their hands.

 

It has been well documented that countries such as Germany and France introduced a ban on PPE equipment leaving their respective countries. I have just learnt this morning that China also imposed a ban on some lines of PPE equipment. Thankfully other suppliers are now based in Thailand and Cambodia which have so far not followed suit. When this pandemic is over there will be a thorough examination on how much needed supplies can be maintained to a sufficient level.

 

Can the Government win with the lockdown (not a full one as you can still go out..) ?

People will be on both sides:

"Makes sure health comes before social and business life so ensure the virus is managed and don't go back to normality until it has been (if it can be..)"

or

"Businesses and people cannot cope for too long without going back to some sort of normality - and risking the lives of people in the short term for the longer term good of people's livelihoods?"

 

The French health service is far more entwined in private providers than the UK, this is often conveniently overlooked. There are stringent open and transparent procedures in place for the NHS to source the best and most effective equipment available. Governments don't have the knowledge to design, train and supply medical devices.

 

Who are these people who can design medical equipment? Is there any reason why they shouldn't work in government run research and development facilities? We have seen this week how testing kits made in the UK have been sold abroad while the government says it cannot buy them from abroad. That is just plain crazy, but is allowed because the government has no control over what private companies are getting up to, even in the time of a national emergency.

 

Funny how SH just ignores. And then carries on posting the same old same old... Very limited contributions tbh

 

Sounds like the clash of ideology debate...
IMO.. An economy should serve the people. At times like this all our resources need to go into our people.. After this is over we can rebuild as humans always have done...