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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Kaito

    Kaito Well-Known Member

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    Yes good news if it is true and more so if it is the complete debt. The NHS should never be debt burdened in the first place. It is a treasured national resource which is the envy of most of the world, and should it be treated as such. Time for the NHS to be owned once again by the nation, not sold off piecemeal to businessmen with 'favoured contracts' like Richard Branson who know nothing about health.

    There are some things money should not be able to buy and the NHS is one of them.
     
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  2. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    Yes I wasn’t forgiving him for that, don’t worry. In fact the date by which we have to ask for the transition period to be extended is rapidly approaching and our government hasn’t met with the EU over trade talks since the crisis began. I can foresee us having no deal in place in December by default.
     
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  3. StJabbo1

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    I haven't seen any questions from the opposition, I'll do a bit of research tomorrow see what's what..
     
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  4. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    <applause>
     
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  6. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    Jeremy Corbyn’s farewell message as Labour Party leader:


    I hope you and your family are keeping safe and well. I would especially like to thank the thousands of you working in key jobs and professions and those organising in mutual aid groups to help your local community.

    As I stand down as Leader, I also want to thank you for all the support you have given the party, and me personally, over the last four and a half years. It has been the honour of my life to lead this party. Our members are my inspiration, and I am so proud that we have become a party of nearly 600,000-strong. I have made it a priority to meet members in every part of our country, and I learned so much from you.

    So many of the issues we have been campaigning on over the past few years have been thrown into even sharper relief by the Coronavirus crisis. It has highlighted the underfunding in our NHS and social care as a result of damaging and counter-productive austerity, the lack of employment rights at work, the scandalously low level of welfare benefits, as well as housing insecurity and homelessness.

    It has also reminded everyone how the people who keep our society running are not the hedge fund billionaires, but the cleaners, nurses, care workers and supermarket staff – so often women and migrant workers on low pay. The strength of our party is that it is rooted in our workplaces and communities in all their diversity.

    Over the past five years we have changed the agenda on austerity and how the economy is run. In 2015, opposing austerity was seen as radical; today it is the political mainstream. A majority of the public supports Labour on issues such as public ownership and higher taxes on the richest. We now look forward as a party of economic inclusion, climate justice, peace and human rights.

    Of course, we could have achieved so much in government, and I am sorry that under my leadership we did not get there. In 2017 we came close, winning the biggest increase in the popular vote since 1945. Sadly, the 2019 election was a Brexit election and our attempt to bridge the gap between Leave and Remain voters was unsuccessful.

    I firmly believe that together we have the ideas, policies, energy and organisation to win a Labour government next time. We can build a society based on social justice, equality, and care for our environment. But it will not come about unless we fight for it.

    Our party grew out of local communities and that is where we must focus our efforts, just as we always have. I will continue to campaign on the issues and principles that have motivated me as Leader, as an MP, as a councillor and as a party member for more than 50 years. I can assure you my voice will not be stilled. I’ll be out there campaigning for socialism, peace and justice, and I feel sure we’ll be doing that together.
     
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  7. Osvaldorama

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    :emoticon-0137-clapp

    Love him or hate him, a more dedicated and principled man you will not find. It's a massive shame that the country shunned his inclusive politics, and believed the smears about him.
    Despite labour's loss, he has had a big impact.
     
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    50/50 for me.

    Clearly a very principled individual with the interests of the country and its people at his heart, unlike the current PM.

    On the other hand he failed to challenge the Conservatives over Brexit and refused to work with other parties in the last election (granted others wouldn’t work with him as well) and as a consequence we have been landed with 5 years of a major Johnson landslide.

    I don’t doubt for a second that he would have been a better PM than Johnson though.
     
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  9. The Ides of March

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    Major Johnson has a ring to it. Think he could have been R&B singer from the USA.
     
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    Only Blair and Wilson have won for Labour in my lifetime. They managed to appeal on a broader front than Corbyn could/would countenance. He was never going to be elected. Let's hope whoever is the next leader understands that the Labour party acheives nothing in opposition.
     
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  11. Archers Road

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    ****ing hell, really? Rishi’s a Saint?


    Give him Boris’ job <ok>
     
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    Doesn't help when “celebrities “ keep slagging him off at every opportunity like this one.
     
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  13. StJabbo1

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    I'd rather he was leader of the opposition.
     
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  14. Osvaldorama

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    Its brutal. I hate to agree, but I do.

    He got many things wrong, but the man has protested and fought for peace and to help the poor for decades. No one can possibly deny that he wanted to help the most vulnerable in our society, and for that alone I will always be grateful.

    It's nice to know that there are people in politics that still genuinely care about the country.

    It is a horrible symptom of democracy that it attracts selfish people such as Rees-Mogg, Francois etc. So I am truly thankful that there are people like Corbyn out there.
     
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  15. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    It suddenly hit me this afternoon that thank goodness that this pandemic struck now rather than in 18 months time when half the NHS would have been privatised and the other half flogged to the Americans by that little **** Cummings. We wouldn't have stood a ****ing chance.
     
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  16. ChilcoSaint

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    On the other hand if the Tories hadn’t been starving the NHS of funds for 10 years, and Brexit hadn’t caused thousands of EU health workers to go home, and nursing recruitment wasn’t at a low point because of the bursary being abolished, we would be much better placed to fight the pandemic.
     
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    It's not enough to be principled you need to be smart too. I will never forgive him for allowing Brexit. Had he come out and unequivocally called for a Remain vote it would have swung the referendum. I know several who thought that Corbyn's nod was as good as a wink and voted Leave thinking that was the Left thing to do.
     
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  18. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    I have to agree, sadly.
     
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  19. StJabbo1

    StJabbo1 Well-Known Member

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    That, and Labour under Corbyn, the Lib Dems and SNP mugged themselves (and the electorate) by allowing the election that gave Johnson his huge majority. He went on to remove parliamentary scrutiny of the ongoing brexit negotiations. Attacks on the judiciary and BBC amongst others to come, dissenting voices will be marginalised.
     
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  20. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    Don't worry. It will be his in a few years. Everyone has now seen through Spaffer Johnson's incompetence.

    We are about to enter a new era of reformed social values which values people for their contribution to society not how much they have stashed away in an offshore account.

    I just hope I am around to see it.

    Interestingly he has been hiding away again. We have seen and heard more of Charlie boy than our glorious leader though both have been unwell at the same time.
     
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