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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Beddy

    Beddy Plays the percentage

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    We all make mistakes mate.........However in my defence if what had happened to me and my family had been you I’m convinced you would have done the same. Again in truth I never ever thought the leaves would win the day! My fault for believing the media.......(and no I’m not prepared to discuss my reason either). I admit to being selfish on this occasion!
     
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  2. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    “Ourselves alone” I believe. I was being ironic, but their example is a good one of a party or a movement almost having to take the nationalist label because they have always been primarily a republican independence movement.
     
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    Probably worth reiterating in these hard times that we are not going to fall out. As for Beddy, as they say there is more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents etc. I wonder how a No Deal will pan out with the GDP already on a 10% GDP hit. It will be very green though, JRM riding to the guillotine in a tumbril.
     
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  4. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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  5. ChilcoSaint

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    Never, ever forget, when this virus is a bad memory, that it was the Tories who ran the NHS into the ground.

    Never forget, never forgive.
     
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  7. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    Yes, a Blairite I believe. They were just as bad as the Tories when it came to the NHS.
     
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    Is that possible?
     
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  9. Osvaldorama

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    No. Blair's record toward health and social justice causes was miles ahead of the tories.

    I'm sick of seeing people arguing on Twitter that Keir Starmer is too right wing already. Give the bloke a chance. Do people not realise that the more divided labour is, the more this benefits the tory party?
     
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  10. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    I worked in the NHS from 1975 to 2013, plus a couple of short part-time periods up to just over 3 years ago. So governments I worked under went as follows:
    Wilson/Callaghan: old-school Labour, couldn’t do enough for the NHS.
    Thatcher/Major: started off OK, as they had to honour the 25% pay rise agreed with the outgoing government. Then the cuts started, along with the inception of the Internal Market, GP Fundholding, back-door privatisation, and so on.
    Blair/Brown: PFI on a large scale, pay freezes, reorganisation, and about the only slightly good thing being the change from GP Fundholders to Clinical Commissioning Groups. Many health professionals drafted in from the EU to make up for not training enough ourselves.
    Cameron/May: Austerity, no pay rises at all for about 5 years, abolition of the nursing bursary, Brexit, EU professionals leave again.

    So no, perhaps not quite as bad as the Tories, but a disgrace to the name of the party which created the NHS.
     
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  11. The Ides of March

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    At the time, I had a high regard for Alan Milburn. It has since disappeared as he was also on the take from private health companies. i
     
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  12. Beddy

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    To be fair there used to be a lot of waste in the NHS.......which the Tories in my view were right to tackle. Trouble was they saw it as a way to cut their support rather than making better use of the resources the NHS had. Admitted I’m still not convinced they are doing everything they can but it’s better than nothing.
     
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  13. Osvaldorama

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    This is a good point. It isnt just about spending more money. There are real problems with the organisation of the NHS.

    (And all government run entities)

    It is truly shocking to me that companies can almost double their prices when charging taxpayer run companies. I am luckily working for a company that has integrity, and has saved the NHS loads of money.

    But a LOT of people view it as a gravy train. The same with the army, navy, trident etc.
     
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    This is well worth watching and George Monbiot tells it like it is.

    “Coronavirus should be a warning that our current system is not fit for purpose”


     
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  15. ChilcoSaint

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    Superb stuff.
     
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    Funny that . I have worked for BT since 1983 . No doubt at all back in the day we engineers took the piss and things needed to change , but they should never ever have privatised it !
     
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    Well it looks like it is going to be down to the brightest of the rest of the Tories to run the country. Better get used to seeing Priti Patel then on that podium every night.
     
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    Michael Gove seen buying a marker pen to make out the DNR sign.
     
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    The **** won't be getting any airtime on my tv, the evil bitch
     
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    Dominic Raab will be deputising in the meantime, after being asked to do so by Boris.

    The arrangement was made a while ago but Boris reiterated it before he went into ICU tonight.
     
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