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Off Topic Coronavirus and NOTHING to do with football thread

Discussion in 'Watford' started by andytoprankin, Mar 21, 2020.

  1. oldfrenchhorn

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    Israel health minister, who claims coronavirus is ‘divine punishment’ for homosexuality, tests positive for COVID-19 .

    I am confused what it says about him. :headbang:
     
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    Attack is rather a strong word for it - all that should be asked is that, in times such as this, everyone change their habits for the greater good - regardless of how well they think they have regulated their own particular situations. We have to do it, community groups have to do it - and do so without too many complaints. Not too many people enjoy being in a lockdown scenario, but most recognise why it is necessary and act accordingly.There's no reason why any religious group should be treated any differently, and, given that their common purpose is apparently to achieve the goals of salvation for themselves and others, it's rather disingenuous of them to think that they should be exempt from what applies to everyone else. You just have to look at the outpourings against Scotland's CMO when it was revealed that she ignored her advice to the rest of the country - she created anger at the thought that she could do something that she had basically forbidden everyone else from doing. Allowing a religion to be exempt from rules that apply to everyone else is no different - it engenders anger and division, and there are plenty whose response would be 'if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me'. If that wasn't the case, there's no way that that news reporter in the video clip would have been chasing the story.
     
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    No more than he is, I dare say. <laugh>

    There's another American televangelist - whose name escapes me at the moment - who is rumoured to have blamed Covid-19 on oral sex with women, on the grounds that all sorts of chemicals transfer from a woman's private parts.He also apparently said that oral sex with women wasn't around in his day - presumably it was only done between men in his day?

    I'd put them both in the same category - nutters.
     
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    Just received an email from my bank asking if I was short of money because I wasn't working. It informed me that I could have a loan of between €1500 and €3000 to be repaid over two years at 1.5% interest. Just ask via the website and it would be transferred to my account immediately. It clearly didn't apply to my situation, but it could take a lot of worry away from some people.
     
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    I don't think I've ever knowingly met someone from Texas Fez. I've met a couple of American Evangelists who were horrified when I pointed out the obvious - namely that Jesus was a socialist ! I never met them again.
     
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    That'll be Pat Robinson. Odious creature.
     
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    And that was precisely the conversation I had with them. After the wedding I was cold shouldered by all but two or three of the local family and folks for the remainder of my stay... including the bride's parents with whom I was staying. Awkward for a few days.
     
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    Whitty implied that the UK could learn from Germany’s success with testing. Asked why the number of deaths from coronavirus in Germany was rising at a slower rate than in the UK, Whitty said:
    We all know that Germany got ahead in terms of its ability to do testing for the virus and there’s a lot to learn from that and we’ve been trying to learn the lessons from that.

    Thank heavens we are spared someone's comments about an EU country! It could have helped if all EU countries had followed the lead, but at least they appeared to get the message before the Cheltenham Festival.
     
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    To be absolutely fair Frenchie, the low death figures for Germany are a combination of several factors. They have found that the average age of those tested positive in Germany is 45 - the same figure for Italy is 60. The discrepency is due to demographic factors. I know that the Italian population is the oldest in Europe, but that is not the decisive factor - most young people in Italy live within the family up to beyond 30, and proximity to grandparents is much closer than in Germany. Italians I know see all of their extended family on a regular basis - whereas the typical German Granny is lucky to see her/his grandchildren more often than once in 6 months. The disease was injected directly into Italy's aged population. There are many other countries with low death rates in proportion to the numbers of positive cases. Norway, the Czech Republic, Finland and Luxembourg all have lower death rates and they are not all high testers (apart from Luxembourg). I agree though that the UK and France are not testing enough. Ideally you would have a test zone in which all the inhabitants of a small town were tested in order to find out the difference between known and unknown cases - in fact I think the Italians tested a small town in this way.
     
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    That is quite interesting on the age thing, but the average age in the UK is only 40.5 years and in France 42.3 years. Certainly in the UK there have been frequent reports of children staying with their parents until much later simply because they cannot afford to move out. I hear it said here that a similar problem is growing. I notice that many of my neighbour's children who live in the Paris area do come on regular visits, but I am not sure what it is like in England these days. The WHO said Test, Test, Test and some were set up to do so while others were not prepared. It seemed that despite it becoming clear there was going to be a world problem, some countries were not quick in responding. It was only after a complete turnaround that the UK agreed that their policy was wrong. France picked up the cause two to three weeks earlier than the UK, but like the UK didn't have enough equipment as a back up. The UK were warned in 2016 that they were not equipped to deal with something like this, and instead of adding to the stocks actually continued to reduce them. In mitigation some countries do have much smaller populations, but also smaller budgets to deal with such things. It is all a balancing act and a will to prioritise where you put your money.
     
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    I had one like that offering £20,000 from a bank I don’t bank with, but at 0% interest! The Royal Lagos or something. All I had to do was email back the form inserting my full name, bank details, my mother’s maiden name, my first pet’s name and the town of my birth. I’m expecting the money any time soon.
     
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    Hardly worth the effort if that is the most they can come up with. They probably missed a 0 off the end. :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    Nothing like a bit of old fashioned fear to bring things to a head. All those things which environmentalists have been asking for like the banning of inland flights are now happening. Nearly every expert on this planet would say that the probable results of global warming are far more dangerous to us than the Coronavirus is - yet it has taken this to bring in some of the changes which we desparately need. As a result of the lockdown Germany might actually reach its Co2 reduction requirements for this year ! Maybe governments will realize that they can act in an emergency if the threat is real enough. At any rate this present crisis may have highlighted to some people that a lot of the consumerism which they regard as necessary, in fact isn't, they can live without it.
     
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    I think for the majority of the world, the threat isn’t real, or is certainly not portrayed as real by leaders or media. Unless that changes, people will sail along as before. Until they are sailing up the River Kent, of course.
     
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    After the number of deaths in the US yesterday, perhaps more will be inclined to sit up and take notice - 1.9k.
    Truly awful.
     
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    Yes shock the US Govt needs to face this now instead of deflecting, blaming others, and offereing false platitudes....
     
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    I was listening to SEJ’s ‘Sorry Seems to Be the Hardest Word’ this morning, the lyrics for which struck me as a conversation between their electorates and US and UK politicians.

     
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    The Lancet - Study on cohort of 137 patients in Wuhan shows that virus can be passed on by viral shedding between 8 and 37 days after infection with the median being 20 days.

    UK 7 from the first symptons and WHO 14 days from the final symptons both look way out.
     
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    Shocking eh.....
     
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    I had a 'discussion' on this elsewhere a while back after reading about it on the World Economic Forum website. The other party to the discussion, a guy from London who was rather vehemently objecting to the lockdown regulations, was incredulous that I would believe anything that the Chinese had to say - claiming that they were in cahoots with WHO to deliberately mislead the world. When he said "The WEF? They're an economics forum, what would they know about it?" I left the conversation. It's people like that who are the cause of this virus spreading - not willing to research, not willing to consider anything other than their own ill-informed opinions. Which is exactly why we should all be avoiding them by staying indoors.
     
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