Off Topic Coronavirus

I meant hidden from the COVID19 stats. I’m confident that the overall death stats, the ones which come from the ONS are accurate as far as numbers are concerned, and would think the same of other major European countries. I don’t think there is a cover up going on (Woody might contest this.....) just different ways of recording things, delays, lack of capacity for post-mortems etc etc.

 

You may well be correct Col, I'm not actually arguing the point with you but more running it over in my head. I haven't abide by the lockdown rules so I'm as big a hypocrite as anyone, I hope that doesn't come back to haunt me. The predicament I find myself in is far from unique. I dont trust the government to give me anything come June, which was ****ing ages away from when it was announced by rishi and still a long way away now! I work as and when I can ( plaster shortage has ****ed that up). So when I bang on about a half hearted lockdown, it's because its left me in a horrible, quite impossible position.

 

Oops, apologies. Bizarrely the winners so far are my lot, though none of us can understand why. Gilead will bounce back, be like a German institutional investor, there for the long term.

 

I'm understanding post-mortems first hand at the moment and I understand delays on that. It's all goosed to be fair, cant remember hearing about anyone dead who didnt have covid19.

 

Understood mate.

I'm in a similar position.
If I don't work we're in quite big trouble and equally so if I catch the bastard.

All the best to you mate.

 

Now that hits the nail on the head!

 

I have every trust that the numbers reported are OK in the “developed “ countries.
Would not for a second trust the numbers from S. America, Africa, Sub continent or rest of Asia.
My staff in Mumbai are reporting many, many deaths in their vicinities put down to heart attacks.
They are scared of being put under an utter lockdown, which is being put in force by neighbourhood

 

That’s why the ONS stats are good. In the week of 10 April there were 18,000 deaths in the UK, 8,000 more than the average of the previous 5 years. Of these 18,000 only 6,000 had COVID19 on the record of death. Given that some of these poor people would have died as part of the ‘normal’ 10k deaths, there is a considerable discrepancy and lots of additional deaths - why and from what causes? We’ll find out the latter at some stage.

I’m developing an obsession about these ‘excess deaths’ someone tell me to cease and desist.

 

Yeah, some of the numbers are so daft as to be laughable from some countries. I am interested to see if the theory that heat and humidity does for the virus (keeping my eyes on Singapore) has any legs. Sadly I don’t think, even if true, it will be of much help up here in the pale north of Europe.

 

And I would have used the Science set I got for my 8th birthday as my backup!

 

Please, I have quite a few on the go, I promise I would never put you through the Torres.
You’d have to abuse a close member of the family for that

 

I know Sweden's strategy well, I just called it their method. And it is comparing like with like because the Scandinavian countries are similar in many ways. But of course Sweden did not lock down to the extent of Norway or Denmark, neither of whom have locked down to the extent of here in Thailand. The Swedish man responsible for this strategy, forget his name now, has admitted they had not expected to lose so many people. Further, it is not yet proven that catching this virus gives immunity, or a strong enough immunity, or long lasting enough immunity. So, Sweden's strategy is not looking good at all now, and I notice they are closing down a lot of night places in Stockholm, and possibly Gothenburg and Malmo after social distancing guidelines weren't followed this last weekend.

 

Singapore is a bad example because it is full of air conditioned offices.

 

Sorry col, been a little busy

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...erted-from-care-homes-to-hospitals-say-bosses

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-handling-care-homes-lockdown-shambolic.html

"s care workers have repeatedly raised concerns that they are being forgotten about during the crisis, the letter has revealed that some PPE meant for care workers is being confiscated by border control then sent to the NHS. "

how much is happening i don't know but i remember someone saying it other parts of the forum (this is what i googled)

 

His name is Anders Tegnell and he is quite happy with the results so far, though concerned about care home deaths.

I’m trying to think of another country on the equator with data that I trust, however vaguely. Where is the King of Thailand nowadays, still flying in and out of Europe?

 

do we not trust the figures from the WHO

 

The figures only relate to people who have been tested....many would of had it, got over it, carried on and won’t be included in the figures.
That’s my thinking of it anyway.

 

had a proper lockdown been put in place the uk might already be coming out of it

 

Coronavirus: New Zealand claims no community cases as lockdown eases

• 27 April 2020

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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announces that New Zealand has stopped community transmission

Media captionPM Jacinda Ardern announces that New Zealand has stopped community transmission
New Zealand says it has stopped community transmission of Covid-19, effectively eliminating the virus.

With new cases in single figures for several days - one on Sunday - Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the virus was "currently" eliminated.

But officials have warned against complacency, saying it does not mean a total end to new coronavirus cases.

The news came hours before New Zealand moved out of its toughest level of social restrictions.

From Tuesday, some non-essential business, healthcare and education activity will be able to resume.


Most people will still be required to remain at home at all times and avoid all social interactions.

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"We are opening up the economy, but we're not opening up people's social lives," Ms Ardern said at the daily government briefing.

New Zealand has reported fewer than 1,500 confirmed or probable cases of coronavirus and 19 deaths.

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New Zealand's Director-General of Health, Ashley Bloomfield, said the low number of new cases in recent days "does give us confidence that we have achieved our goal of elimination".

He warned that "elimination" did not mean there would be no new cases "but it does mean we know where our cases are coming from".

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Image caption New Zealand brought in very tough restrictions on travel and activity early on in the pandemic
Ms Ardern said there was "no widespread undetected community transmission in New Zealand", adding: "We have won that battle."

But she said the country "must remain vigilant if we are to keep it that way".

How did New Zealand respond to the virus?
The country brought in some of the toughest restrictions in the world on travel and activity early on in the pandemic, when it only had a few dozen cases.

It closed its borders, started enforcing quarantine of all arrivals in the country, brought in a stringent lockdown and mounted an extensive testing and contact tracing operation.

Beaches, waterfronts and playgrounds were shut on 26 March, as were offices and schools. Bars and restaurants were also closed, including for takeaway and delivery.

Ms Ardern said modelling indicated New Zealand could have had more than 1,000 cases a day if it had not brought in the lockdown so early.

She said the country could never know how bad it would have been but that "through our cumulative actions we have avoided the worst".

New Zealand's remote location and easily sealable borders played in its favour when the virus broke out, experts say.

But the government has also been praised for the clarity of its messaging throughout the crisis.

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Image caption New Zealand brought in tough restrictions, such as closing pubs and bars, early on in the pandemic
At midnight local time (12:00 GMT on Monday), New Zealand moved from Level Four lockdown to Level Three. That means most businesses will be able to reopen - including restaurants for takeaways - but not those involving face-to-face contact.

New Zealanders are being told to stick to their "bubble" - a small group of close friends or family - and to stay 2m (6ft) away from people.

Mass gatherings are still banned, shopping centres remain closed and most children will remain away from school. New Zealand's border will remain closed.

What's happening in Australia?
In Australia, the rise in infections has also slowed considerably in recent weeks. There were just 16 new cases recorded on Sunday.

Much like in New Zealand, its government has been praised for its response to the crisis and opinion polls show that trust in the country's leadership has risen.

Restrictions are easing in some areas, with some states planning to relax social distancing rules to permit larger outdoor gatherings this week.

In Queensland from Saturday, people will be free to go shopping for clothes, have a picnic in the park or go for a swim at the beach as long as it is within a 40-minute drive from home.

Western Australia is also joining South Australia in expanding the national two-person limit on gatherings to 10 people.

However, most Australians are still required to stay at home unless they have essential work, shopping or exercise reasons to go out.

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More than a million Australians also downloaded a coronavirus contact tracing app within hours of it being released by the government.

Users of the app will be notified if they have had more than 15 minutes of close contact with another user who tests positive for Covid-19.

There are reports that Australia and New Zealand are considering opening up travel between them but no decision has been made.

 

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