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  1. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member
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    Good News

    My daughter-in laws... sisters... husband is on the way to recovery from Covid-19....he had been in an induced coma for something like a month or more his vital organs have taken a real pasting and each one at certain times needed lots of support from the medical staff....it looked 50-50 at times if he would come through his ordeal....a week or so ago he was transferred to another hospital where he could get extra support.....and he has started to recover....no longer in a coma and his oxygen needs have been greatly reduced.....his wife and two grown up sons had a video link with him yesterday and he managed to smile and wave to them....he is now just waiting to come back home to recuperate.....what an ordeal for his wife and sons who had shown signs of coronavirus at the same time but got through it without medical support...living in lock-down...getting only support from family and friends from a distance.
     
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  2. lyndhurstgreen

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    That's great news Plym, really pleased for your (extended) family. My wife is a senior nurse at Derriford, and as tragic as all the deaths are, her focus every night when she comes home is on the number of people that have recovered. Tough times for sure, but hopefully we are at the 'end of the beginning' -very long way to go and I doubt life will be the same for a very long time- football certainly wont be. Everyone needs to hang on in there for a few more weeks and hopefully things will start to improve.
     
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  3. Plymborn

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    Thanks Lyndy.
     
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    When it came to the end of the month I just knew that Boris and his Mob were going to meet their target of testing by hook or by crook. Sure enough the final day arrives and goes with the statement on the 1st May that the target had not only been met but crushed by the efficient Tory Boys. I wonder how many they will claim for the 2nd of May I thought. Well it was nowhere near 100,000 was it. The true fact is that they did NOT test 122,000 people as claimed they simply included the number of kits they sent out for Home Testing and yep you guessed it they had not had 100,000 back completed. I am surprised that so little has been made of this outright lie. Where is the Opposition holding them to account? So it transpires that we have a lying Government and an Opposition not worthy of the name. Things never change do they. Just wait and you will find Boris has been into the Lab himself and has invented a cure so we are all saved. All Hail Boris the Great. He's like Superman. He recovers from a near fatal experience, has a baby probably he will claim all by himself and has managed to steer his crew all at the same time. All that is left is the miracle cure and thank god for Boris. BORIS FOR KING.........
     
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  5. Plymborn

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    So Boris isn't on your Christmas card list then sensible.

    The only leader who has impressed me in the last year or so is.....Jacinda Ardern the Prime Minister of New Zealand.

    1....Dealt well with that gun massacre last year.

    2.....Well on top of Covid-19.....snuffed it out from day one (ok there miles from anywhere but still needed sorting out)...very impressed.

    3.....Very compassionate and caring and doesn't use political jargon.
     
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  6. sensiblegreeny

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    Don't get me really started plym........ The man is just an egotistical pillock and that is being very very polite. He's like Donald Trump, he hasn't got a clue about anything apart from himself. This whole thing will be dissected by the media and stuff in due course and the mistakes and lies will be exposed for all to see. I can excuse mistakes because that means that someone somewhere has tried to do something but lies and deceit is another thing altogether. You wait till the Care Home scandal comes out in full.
     
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    But they were saying that about him over Brexit and then he goes and gives the Labour party its biggest thrashing since the 1930's in a quick general election and his government now has an healthy working majority.

    Go on sensible.....you know you want to send young Wilfred a happy birthday card....another little Boris to keep the dynasty going....they'll be England's equivalent to the Kennedy clan soon.
     
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  8. sensiblegreeny

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    Wilfred is just one among a number of offspring from various sources which in itself should tell you all you need to know about the man. He may have given the Labour Party a spanking over Brexit but that just says a lot about the so called opposition rather than how great Boris is. The man is a liar plain and simple. He lied during the Brexit campaign over and over again and he has lied even now over the deaths of many of his Countrymen. All he is interested in is Boris the rest of us can go feck ourselves as far as he is concerned. If ever there was a time for Statesmanship then this is it. He can't though and he will be found out over this when the reckoning comes. History will be his judge and I have a feeling it won't be kind eventually.
     
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  9. Plymborn

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    We can only replace him when someone of substance rises from the sea of mediocrity that is British politics at this present time.....why would anyone of quality want to go into politics when big business can bring far more rewards.....politics is just one big shooting range and knowing the tricks of the trade is more important than integrity and honesty of reason.
     
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  10. notDistantGreen

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    Clearly I'm no fan of many in the current cabinet as a result of the still unfolding Brexit disaster, to the extent I have withdrawn my vote from the Tories for the foreseeable future. And I'm no floating voter, they've had my vote in their pocket for decades.

    Nevertheless, we are in uncharted territory here. This situation hasn't applied since the flu epidemic after WW1, when there was s much more casual approach to mass fatalities. In addition, the world is much more globalised and we can no longer hog the resources available in the UK and the Empire while 15 million people died in India alone.

    No doubt mistakes have been made. It would be amazing if they hadn't. But if the number of tests on 30 April was 85k and not 100k, would that have been a failure given where we started? I don't think so but I bet the tabloids and the Twitterati would say otherwise. And let's not forget that it seems in a significant number of cases, people thinking they needed a test have nevertheless not roused themselves to drive 30 miles to a mass testing station to get one and waited instead for it to be delivered to their door.

    As I said, no doubt mistakes have been made as they always are in times of trouble, but the armchair pundits who are contributing nothing themselves should make a few allowances.
     
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    My daughter, son-in-law and there 17yr old son are as I type at Greenwich to be tested.....daughter and grandson have shown signs of temperature....but son-in-law seems ok.....he is possibly the cause....because he is still working with the London Ambulance Service....but not at coal face end but management training level......we'll see what the results are ?
     
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    Fingers crossed Plym.
     
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    Somebody with an ounce of integrity would actually tell the truth and be damned notdistant. I expect things to go wrong but what I don't expect of the people who should be leading is to blatantly lie about it. Everyone makes mistakes. Hold your hand up and say so. Nobody much cares what the press says these days because few seem to read it anymore. 85.000 in my view would not be a failure of much consequences in my book either. Just stop massaging the figures.
     
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    693 more deaths in the last 24 hrs (5th May).....highest death total now in Europe....nearly 30,000 now....we're not quite getting on top of this yet.... and its time we got on top of the idiots who are still not getting the seriousness of Covid-19 and meeting up or popping round to friends houses etc.....if your going to fine people, and thousands have been fined....really do it seriously not just £50 or £100......some have been fined quite often.....they should be locked up so the rest of us can start living again....we're too damn soft in this country and are paying for it.

    Being now 81 I'm not keen on having to spend ANY time locked in doors....I'm well past the three score and ten and I'm still fit enough to enjoy my life and selfish types out there are starting to get under my skin with there selfish attitude of.... no one tells them what to do.

    If this is the new norm, social distancing for the rest of this year then we need to get sorted out nationally to get beyond this appalling situation.

    It's time we woke up to the fact that sport as a spectator enjoyed occasion is dead for the rest of 2020....and the football season is over....the PL and EFL need to stop thinking of nothing but the money it will cost them and finish the season now.

    This Covid tracking app will bypass anyone who haven't got smart phones....and there are a lot of us out there....will we just have to hide indoors forever.

    My daughters family who got test for coronavirus today...will not know for up to 3 to 5 days the result....my daughter was our source of provisions....but they are grounded at home until they hear yes or no on their tests.....there is a long way to go on this pandemic and we could see the military more involved than they already are.
     
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    Hi Plym,,

    My sentiments exactly, im out continuing to work and the amount of traffic now is unreal and people out walking laying in parks .Nobody to deal with this.

    This is here for a while not just this year, i have had my dose of this hopefully, although it was mild. But its not getting any better, i have a daughter who is working in ICU London struggling but says things are improving a little and PPE is not always great she is not moaning but getting on with it she volunteered to go from Derriford up .. so she is a bit tired, as long as she is safe the extra work wont hurt her and the money will be welcomed for her .. not easy for any one in the NHS or care or all the key workers.

    But hope all the regulars on here and their families are safe, i have to keep from my son as he is in isolation and has been for 8 weeks , but im hoping i get a test soon and can see him Not easy for any of us. But the morons who dont get it are the ones stopping this from getting better.

    Keep well and hopefully we can get back to a bit of normality some time soon, im not rushing out tho,
     
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    I still can't see what the harm is in some people going to a park to get some sunshine as long as they stay apart from others. There is no difference in somebody doing that than going for their groceries or medication or whatever essential they need. The same applies to having a bit of a drive around to see a different bit of scenery as long as people are keeping apart again whats the difference. The ones who need a bit of a kicking are those that obviously don't give a stuff for rules or anyone else. They are out there and I have watched some who just come and stand next to another without a thought. Well there is no excuse for that behaviour as they know full well what the advice is. You would have to have been on another planet not to know.

    Hope all yours keep well Joe and it definitely is a difficult time for a lot of families.
     
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    The use of face Masks ?

    Sir
    There is no evidence that wearing a face mask will lower the risk of infection to the wearer, and there is only weak evidence that, if the wearer is shedding virus, it protects others.
    I've observed supermarket shoppers in masks, many frequently adjust them for comfort, lift them off to talk to staff or scratch their faces, or wear them round their necks.
    Handling the masks, other than by the ear loops or head straps, is likely to transfer any virus trapped on it to the hands, from where it will be spread liberally over food and surfaces.
    Without rigorous mask hygiene, any benefit from wearing one will be more than offset by transmission from the contaminated hands. After touching a mask, standard hand-washing or sanitising should be carried out, otherwise wearing it is merely a cosmetic exercise.

    Dr Andrew Hopkirk...Midhurst, West Sussex.

    Letters to the Editor....Daily Telegraph...05/05/2020.
     
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    Selective shearing ?

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    Michael Gove, Dominic Raab and others all seem to have well trimmed hair when they appear at the daily briefing.
    Even if, by amazing coincidence, they are all, married to hairdressers, should they not set an example ?

    Peter H York...Daventry, Northamptonshire.

    Letters to the Editor....Daily Telegraph...05/05/2020.

    PS.....Are we saying they should look more like Boris's hairstyle...just plain scruffy.
     
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    This SOFT lockdown that we are going through is not really working.....the daily death figures (693 yesterday) are alarmingly high still for a country that officially went into lockdown on the 23rd March which in my calculations is 46 days ago.

    EXAMPLE.....It is estimated that even now 15,000 people are coming into the country through our airports daily....they are coming from all over the world...some of these places are virus hot-spots.....yet they are not checked in anyway and just walk through the airport and disperse into the wider community.....why is this happening.....what is the governments thinking over this ?

    15,000 x 46 = 690,000 people who could be spreading Covid-19.....far more than is needed to start a second more devastating wave of infection ?
     
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    I don't agree that sport should be considered dead for 2020.

    Clearly any resumption would have to accompanied by rigorous safety arrangements, including frequent testing of athletes, staff and their families. In the case of football, the EPL is very very rich and it could well afford to put that testing regime in place with no financial burden on the tax payer or physical demand on existing State testing facilities. It should be remembered that the athletes and the coaches who work most closely with them are generally either extremely fit or at least fitter than the average and so the threat to them is lower than to the general population. I accept letting thousands of fans into the stadiums is problematic and may not be possible, but even there, we know that risk of transmission outdoors is far lower than it would be in bars and restaurants for example.

    The arguments for allowing a resumption are firstly financial: the cost to the PL of not resuming has been estimated in the range of £0.75 billion and recently the EPL have put a figure of £0.2 billion on the effect in the lower 3 divisions. We know that Championship clubs are highly stressed financially and some of them may not survive until 2021 and the same applies to a good sprinkling of clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 which have been badly run financially in the best of times, let alone the bad. We'd have been one of them if this had happened 10 years ago. Secondly, sport, and especially football, is deeply ingrained in the British psyche and a resumption would do the national mood a lot of good. It might even relieve the pressure on distancing in the general population by giving us something else to think about. It could give workers some confidence it's safe to go back to work when other industrial sectors are allowed to restart which they might otherwise lack.

    Lastly, I don't think it fits well among us Brits to see those who have done well having their prize snatched away from them for no fault of their own or those who have done badly not getting their just desserts. If this could be avoided and the former group included Plymouth Argyle, then I wouldn't be disappointed!
     
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