Off Topic Corona virus

Can't win can they, others saying they should have locked down earlier and others like him, saying there should be no lockdown at all.

 

Interesting .....

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Because of the pandemic, America have just announced they have come up with a plan on how to save 100's of lives each year when it's over.


They're not reopening schools.

 

It looks like today the UK has recorded the fewest number of deaths since 29th March. Usual caveat that Monday figures are always low, we don't want a second wave etc etc.

Overall though I think the number of deaths are decreasing faster than most thought.

 

In the next day or so, we will overtake Italy & have the highest number of deaths in Europe, 2nd in the world. Only the US will have a higher number, approximately double, yet with 5x our population. An unenviable record. And it's far from over.

Btw, I read a little detail about the so-called Spanish flu. Only 2-5 million were killed in the first wave. 30-50 million in the second wave. It's entirely possible that the worst has yet to come. But knowing the tory basturds running this country, trade will come before lives, as they always have.

 

There is still so many unknowns about this disease.
I only found out at the weekend about the blood clotting problems its causing!!

Jeffrey Laurence of Weill Cornell Medical College, who has been in the field for three decades. “This is not like a disease we’ve seen before.”
Nearly every patient he has seen for blood disorders in the past month and a half has had Covid-19. “I’ve never had so many consults in my life. These people are clotting, and we can’t shut it off.”

The clots and strokes also add to the list of potential symptoms some people with Covid-19 might experience early on — and gives another possible reason that the number of coronavirus-related deaths around the country is looking far larger than those officially being counted in hospitals.

Small early studies and case reports about the link between the novel coronavirus and blood clots are now pouring in. For example, one team in the Netherlands followed 184 severe Covid-19 patients who were receiving treatment in three different intensive care units. They found that 31 percent of these people had some sort of blood clotting issue, a percentage they call “remarkably high.”

Other data is emerging with similar implications. “In patients with severe disease, various forms of blood clots are estimated to occur in 15-35 percent of patients,” Behnood Bikdeli, a cardiology fellow at Columbia University Medical Center,reports.
And these clots, especially the small ones, “could impact the illness severity and involvement of many of the organs,” he says. (He and an international team of dozens of researchers published an April review of clotting issues in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.)

 

Oh yeah you won’t get an argument from me. Considering we had much longer to react it doesn’t look like we’ve handled it well. That being said every country is reporting numbers differently so we’ll have to see what the excess mortality looks like.

I think we know enough about how a virus spreads now to avoid a big second “wave” but it could drag on with us having to keep reviewing the lockdown measures as the R0 number fluctuates. That’s assuming we don’t get an American style rebellion against the rules.

 

There’s undoubtedly something in the blood clotting thing. Seems even with ventilators some are getting starved of oxygen from clotting.. but whether it’s direct cause and effect guess we’ll find out.

The thing that’s coming out more and more is the link to obesity. Male, old and overweight are the big tells - it appears that the majority of younger people who are hospitalised are overweight. There might be a reason why the US and the UK, the world’s and Europe’s most overweight countries are also the two worst affected countries.

It also hammers home the rich and poor divide.

The other intriguing thing is the sudden downturn a bunch of people, like bojo take at around day 7... some kind of trigger that affects some not others.

Much to learn, still. Stay safe everyone.

 

One for the Darwin Awards ....

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Clotting may also therefore be a contributory factor in associated kidney issues:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-52508613/coronavirus-how-covid-19-can-hit-the-kidneys

 

"Don't f*ck wid my constitutional rights, man. If I don't wanna wear a seat belt, I don't have to."

 

Mind you, if clots are a problem, this site is going to close down.

 

I could easily end up here on my own

 

Nice story here, I was visiting Leeds yesterday and daughters car had a slow puncture so I took it into Kwik Fit. Thought it would be a new tyre. Tbh I fell asleep in the waiting room (they had good social distancing measures btw).

woke up to the guy saying, ‘I’ve repaired it and done the tracking as you had a bit of wear’.

I asked the price and he said ‘I saw the NHS file on the back seat and windscreen sticker so it’s no charge, we don’t charge the NHS’

daughter was pleased (even if I was going to be the one paying )

do you think I was wrong to ask if he could put 4 new tyres on as well?

 

I’m going to let someone else break this to you, I can be a bit insensitive.

 

Here's how the government synopsis summarises it (this has been sent out to various government officials)

Phase 1 : 18th May

1. Allow outdoor meetings between people from different households
2. Open up childcare for healthcare workers
3. Phased return of outdoor workers
4. Open retailers which are primarily outdoors or those which were open during first level of restrictions (e.g. opticians)
5. Opening of certain outdoor public amenities

Phase 2 : 8th June

1. Allow visits to households
2. Develop plans and supports to open up business with consideration for safety of staff and customers
3. Open small retail outlets where social distancing can be observed
4. Open public libraries

Phase 3 : 29th June

• Allow small social gatherings
• Opening of creches, childminders and pre-schools for children of other essential workers in a phased manner
• Return to work for those with a low level of interaction
• Open non-essential retail outlets with street level entrance and exits
• Open playgrounds

Phase 4 : 20th July

1. Opening of creches, childminders and pre-schools for children of all other workers on a gradually increasing basis
2. Return to work for those that cannot work from home
3. Gradual easing of restrictions for higher risk services (e.g. hairdressers)
4. Opening of museums, galleries and places of worship

Phase 5 : 10th August

1. Allow larger social gatherings
2. Return to work across all sectors
3. Opening of primary and secondary schools and 3rd level institutions
4. Further easing of restrictions of high risk retail services

 

Think we might opt out of this plan & see how it goes. Not a plan I'd like to be on the bleeding edge for.

 

Be interesting to see how many of these target dates if any actually happen.
I'm not holding my breath.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ovid-19-lockdown-to-18-may-before-phased-exit Hope we’re not as strict as Ireland when it comes to lifting restrictions